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Posted: 12/7/2013 8:43:06 PM EDT
| I usually shoot between 60-80 per range trip and i completely field strip and clean it after every time, even in my piston ar15s, is this over-cleaning? |
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Yes.
Google "Filthy 14". Here's the other one I was looking for. |
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That was very interesting but still doesnt proove that what i do is bad For the love of God!!!!! 
Do what you feel you are comfortable with. You are about to behold a shitload of "weapon cleaning" experts who will tell you you are over cleaning no matter what you tell them. |
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Depends,if your shooting several days back to back you maybe spending more time than you need to.In frequent use just keep it lubed and clean every other outing or so.If you only shoot once a month or so,I'd say your doing the right thing.
I tried the never clean and keep it lubed thing for a short time and its just a freakin nasty mess after a couple months.I'ain't testing lubes,nor do I need to test the reliablity of my AR's,so no need to run them long and nasty.Plus when your cleaning you have a chance to inspect parts,likely catching obvious issues and unusual wear.Keep them clean and lubed prevents nasty suprises in the long run. |
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I just ran into this AR-15 Cleaning and Maintenance 30 minute video by Cory Trapp at NSSF.
I think this is the definative video (for me). If someone has a better one, please share. YES I was over lubing. YES I am over cleaning. Notice the difference. I will continue to over clean, but now understand it is only out of preference, and not required for the proper function of the rifle. He dispels some common standard advice that is out there. I'll leave it to you to agree/disagree with it. To me, he seems to get it right and know what the heck he is talking about. New learning (mythbusting) for me: 1. no need to space the gaps in the gas rings. (vast majority of voices out there disagree) 2. no need to ever clean the gas tube internal. (vast majority of voices out there agree) 3. rifle designed not to need to lube anything other than the four BCG rails. (vast majority of voices vary) YMMV. And enjoy. |
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Well,
I feel that 95% of ar owners over clean thier weapons... And most ar's see much more "wear" from cleaning than shooting... But, the typical ar will last a good long lifetime for most people... That being said, if it makes you happy clean it... Now, as far as lube...the ar needs lots of lube during breaking in the weapon... So you see the first thing in the forums, clean and clp the gun...this is a trouble shooting step... When I break in a new weapon, it's dripping wet...this helps all the parts to lap into one another... Now, after your weapon has been broken in....everything is running smooth...then use the gi manual to lube... Remember the amount of lube used on the whole weapon is mostly verry light... B |
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I generously lube my AR's,and pistols for that matter, for two reasons;
1.Lubrication. 2.Keep fouling(which includes dirt) in suspension and floated out of the friction areas. Ive honestly never seen an "over lubed" AR,any excess lube is quickly blown right out onto your shooting glasses. 
As far as cleaning causing more wear than use,well Im sure there are some knuckle heads that could do that,but Ive not seen any rifles around me that had excessive wear from over cleaning.Heck most of the folks I run into at the range rarely ever clean their AR's etc..All I see most of them doing is spraying some kind of aerosol lube in the ejection port/action when the gun stops functioning.The .22lr guys are the worst of the bunch. |
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I generously lube my AR's,and pistols for that matter, for two reasons; 1.Lubrication. 2.Keep fouling(which includes dirt) in suspension and floated out of the friction areas. Ive honestly never seen an "over lubed" AR,any excess lube is quickly blown right out onto your shooting glasses.
As far as cleaning causing more wear than use,well Im sure there are some knuckle heads that could do that,but Ive not seen any rifles around me that had excessive wear from over cleaning.Heck most of the folks I run into at the range rarely ever clean their AR's etc..All I see most of them doing is spraying some kind of aerosol lube in the ejection port/action when the gun stops functioning.The .22lr guys are the worst of the bunch. Most people will never wear out an ar...most...I'd bet 99% that may well do that are on here as well...so I know you exist... But, I know people that will go out and shoot a mag...tear down the whole gun clean it thoroughly and reassemble it... They will still never wear it out, but thier gun has more wear from cleaning than shooting... I'm also being a bit sarcastic as well...I get that way... Also I'd say there are more ar owners that don't goto the range ever... Even some friends I know have guns that aren't even broken in...one has a few that are literally unfired...at least by them... Anyhow, I feel people go overboard on cleaning...and lube...I've never seen corrosion on any of my weapons...some have not been shot in a decade... I usually just wipe them down before putting them away with a remoil cloth... B |
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Most people will never wear out an ar...most...I'd bet 99% that may well do that are on here as well...so I know you exist... But, I know people that will go out and shoot a mag...tear down the whole gun clean it thoroughly and reassemble it... They will still never wear it out, but thier gun has more wear from cleaning than shooting... I'm also being a bit sarcastic as well...I get that way... Also I'd say there are more ar owners that don't goto the range ever... Even some friends I know have guns that aren't even broken in...one has a few that are literally unfired...at least by them... Anyhow, I feel people go overboard on cleaning...and lube...I've never seen corrosion on any of my weapons...some have not been shot in a decade... I usually just wipe them down before putting them away with a remoil cloth... B Quoted:
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I generously lube my AR's,and pistols for that matter, for two reasons; 1.Lubrication. 2.Keep fouling(which includes dirt) in suspension and floated out of the friction areas. Ive honestly never seen an "over lubed" AR,any excess lube is quickly blown right out onto your shooting glasses.
As far as cleaning causing more wear than use,well Im sure there are some knuckle heads that could do that,but Ive not seen any rifles around me that had excessive wear from over cleaning.Heck most of the folks I run into at the range rarely ever clean their AR's etc..All I see most of them doing is spraying some kind of aerosol lube in the ejection port/action when the gun stops functioning.The .22lr guys are the worst of the bunch. Most people will never wear out an ar...most...I'd bet 99% that may well do that are on here as well...so I know you exist... But, I know people that will go out and shoot a mag...tear down the whole gun clean it thoroughly and reassemble it... They will still never wear it out, but thier gun has more wear from cleaning than shooting... I'm also being a bit sarcastic as well...I get that way... Also I'd say there are more ar owners that don't goto the range ever... Even some friends I know have guns that aren't even broken in...one has a few that are literally unfired...at least by them... Anyhow, I feel people go overboard on cleaning...and lube...I've never seen corrosion on any of my weapons...some have not been shot in a decade... I usually just wipe them down before putting them away with a remoil cloth... B No need for the irony,I get what your saying. Ive know a few folks as you describe,but they rarely ever do any PM beyond initial sight it.Guns go in the case and right under the bed. Fact is Ive seen more brand new guns with pitted bores causing more damage than any cleaning wear could ever do.And yes Ive seen chrome lined bores with corrosion.And yes I have also seen more than a few washed crowns from over eager and improper cleaning,but these were also well used and damage was caused from years of what I call abuse. The root of the problem is not that the guns are over cleaned,its the fact of lacking a proper technique/knowledge,tools combined with bad information or plain ignorance. |
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Depends,if your shooting several days back to back you maybe spending more time than you need to.In frequent use just keep it lubed and clean every other outing or so.If you only shoot once a month or so,I'd say your doing the right thing. I tried the never clean and keep it lubed thing for a short time and its just a freakin nasty mess after a couple months.I'ain't testing lubes,nor do I need to test the reliablity of my AR's,so no need to run them long and nasty.Plus when your cleaning you have a chance to inspect parts,likely catching obvious issues and unusual wear.Keep them clean and lubed prevents nasty suprises in the long run. +1 This is excellent advice. |
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I usually shoot between 60-80 per range trip and i completely field strip and clean it after every time, even in my piston ar15s, is this over-cleaning? It's real simple. If your "cleaning" does not solve a "problem" such as corrosion or reliability issues.... then you are simply wasting your time, and helping nothing. If you aren't shooting match ammo out of a hand lapped match bore, and require a known consistent shot placement for competition, there is NO benefit whatsoever to removing carbon or copper from your bore that often. It is POSSIBLE that by cleaning you are increasing the wear on the bore by pushing carbon on patches. If you aren't using a coated rod, and bore guide, then you absolutely ARE creating accelerated wear on the throat. So, clean all you want. It is your time you are wasting. But if it makes you feel better, have fun. I have never seen a high volume, long time shooter waste his time like that. Eventually, they all learn. Those that don't, in my experience, really just don't shoot that much and enjoy cleaning as much as shooting. I don't. |
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I come from a family of military and they ORIGINALLY taught me to break down and clean my rifle after every time you shoot it PERIOD.
Now from years of experience and different EXPERTS on AR's telling me differently I break down and clean it every 1000 to 2000 rounds, usually 1000. Otherwise I just clean the barrel after I shoot it. |
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I come from a family of military and they ORIGINALLY taught me to break down and clean my rifle after every time you shoot it PERIOD. Now from years of experience and different EXPERTS on AR's telling me differently I break down and clean it every 1000 to 2000 rounds, usually 1000. Otherwise I just clean the barrel after I shoot it. I used to thoroughly clean everything sparkling clean every time I shot it, no matter how much. It was how I was taught when I was a kid. I now mostly blast it with brake cleaner, then some Triflow & call it good. (With the exception of .22s & anything I've been shooting a lot suppressed.) |
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military are trained to clean their weapon after every time they shoot because if they are on the battlefield they might not have another chance to clean it before a gunfight and might have to shoot another 500 rounds. basically comes down to reliability and life or death
also if I just had to walk to a desk and say i need a new barrel and its handed to me at no cost, i would clean my guns everytime too. |
I really really want to know how the fuck someone ever came up with this "over cleaning" rumor that started to circulate the Internet
I just can't fucking fathom how one could wear out a weapon with cotton patches, and cotton Q-tips? And especially nowadays with all the new non-harmful solvents and lubes? I guess this could happen if you used sandpaper for cleaning patches and rags, or metal screwdrivers and chisels, files to clean your weapon
This "over cleaning" thing is just a bunch of Internet retarded bull crap
That's just my two cents 
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I really really want to know how the fuck someone ever came up with this "over cleaning" rumor that started to circulate the Internet
I just can't fucking fathom how one could wear out a weapon with cotton patches, and cotton Q-tips? And especially nowadays with all the new non-harmful solvents and lubes? I guess this could happen if you used sandpaper for cleaning patches and rags, or metal screwdrivers and chisels, files to clean your weapon
This "over cleaning" thing is just a bunch of Internet retarded bull crap
That's just my two cents Read more. Talk less. It has been answered, in this very thread. You are incorrect. That's my two cents. 
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Read more. Talk less. It has been answered, in this very thread. You are incorrect. That's my two cents.
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I really really want to know how the fuck someone ever came up with this "over cleaning" rumor that started to circulate the Internet
I just can't fucking fathom how one could wear out a weapon with cotton patches, and cotton Q-tips? And especially nowadays with all the new non-harmful solvents and lubes? I guess this could happen if you used sandpaper for cleaning patches and rags, or metal screwdrivers and chisels, files to clean your weapon
This "over cleaning" thing is just a bunch of Internet retarded bull crap
That's just my two cents Read more. Talk less. It has been answered, in this very thread. You are incorrect. That's my two cents.
You should read what you just posted there Sloppy joe Hanson There is nothing at all in this thread that has proven over cleaning. Maybe you need to shut the pie hole, and "read more".
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I seriously doubt the over cleaning thing too. Pushing carbon on a cotton patch is not doing anything to a steel bore that a fired bullet isn't doing. The bullet is obdurating in the bore. There is not a cotton patch in existence generating that much friction.
I use to have a stainless steel un-coated rod I would use in my Palma match rifle. People at matches would tell me that I was destroying my bore every time I cleaned my rifle. Funny how I routinely shot better scores then the know-it-all "you are damaging your barrel" guys. I have a borescope, I'm not damaging my barrel. In many cases you don't need to clean, but if you pay a little attention to not screwing up the crown or throat then you can clean all you want. B |
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