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4/28/2015 7:00:14 PM EDT
I used to have a Gen 3 P308 I reloaded for. Now I have a Gen 4. Haven't tried to resize any cases fired from this rifle yet.

Does anyone have any experience reloading cases fired in a Gen 4?

Seems like the E2 chamber puts some dents into these cases that will not be easily removed from resizing. But then again I haven't tried yet.

Assuming I can resize, chamber and fire cases previously fired from this rifle as POF claims is doable, I'm wondering how much is this going to decrease my case life? How will I know when the cases are no longer safe to fire?....
4/29/2015 11:48:53 PM EDT
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Nobody out there has reloaded for this rifle...
4/30/2015 12:33:37 AM EDT
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I haven't reloaded for that rifle but have cases from my AR10 .308 that I will reload.  Where are the dents on your cases exactly?  I've notice that the case deflector can sometimes dent a case, but your post seems to indicate a dent caused by the chamber?  Does this POF have feed ramps and the normal feeding profile like most AR's?  Isn't it unusual for a case to be dented during the feeding process in the chamber, barring out-and-out malfunctions?  I don't claim any expertise in this area.  AR's and probably many other semiautos out there can be pretty hard on brass compared to bolt rifles of course.
4/30/2015 10:27:28 AM EDT
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I haven't reloaded for that rifle but have cases from my AR10 .308 that I will reload.  Where are the dents on your cases exactly?  I've notice that the case deflector can sometimes dent a case, but your post seems to indicate a dent caused by the chamber?  Does this POF have feed ramps and the normal feeding profile like most AR's?  Isn't it unusual for a case to be dented during the feeding process in the chamber, barring out-and-out malfunctions?  I don't claim any expertise in this area.  AR's and probably many other semiautos out there can be pretty hard on brass compared to bolt rifles of course.
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OP is talking about the new/old fluted chambers poof is now using in an attempt to make their 308 rifles work reliably.

Sorry OP, I sold my poof 308 since it wasn't reliable and have no info for their newer chamber design.  From experience you should be able to reload ammo fired in a fluted chamber of an HK91/G3 rifle.  The fluted neck of the poof might not allow good and/or easy resizing.  Only one way to find out, you have to shoot, reload, and test.
4/30/2015 11:04:02 AM EDT
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Ahhh!...so that's what they were talking about in the recent issue of American Rifleman in their review of the POF P415...I think.  They were talking about the chamber design being more conducive to positive extraction and such...I think.  I don't guess I've ever heard of this type of design before...or maybe didn't really understand what it was.  I've reloaded for years but apparently never had a weapon with this setup.  I gotta ask...is this one of those deals of a solution looking for a problem?  I know lots of AR .308's with proper gas setup and buffer application have no extraction issues at all.  My 2 AR10 .308's have no extraction issues whatsoever with any ammo I've fired through them...and my brass isn't mangled or hacked as a result.  Interesting.  I have a decent amount of respect for POF generally and am kind of surprised that they feel they had to go to this more complicated design to get reliable function.  I have one of their complete lowers from a P415 and love it...no uppers, however.  I found this article, and I guess it's what we're talking about here?...perhaps?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/04/30/beware-commercial-308-fluted-chambers/

Edit:  I see the POF .308 is a piston rifle.  Is this something more unique to a piston .308 as far as extraction issues go?
4/30/2015 6:01:15 PM EDT
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Ahhh!...so that's what they were talking about in the recent issue of American Rifleman in their review of the POF P415...I think.  They were talking about the chamber design being more conducive to positive extraction and such...I think.  I don't guess I've ever heard of this type of design before...or maybe didn't really understand what it was.  I've reloaded for years but apparently never had a weapon with this setup.  I gotta ask...is this one of those deals of a solution looking for a problem?  I know lots of AR .308's with proper gas setup and buffer application have no extraction issues at all.  My 2 AR10 .308's have no extraction issues whatsoever with any ammo I've fired through them...and my brass isn't mangled or hacked as a result.  Interesting.  I have a decent amount of respect for POF generally and am kind of surprised that they feel they had to go to this more complicated design to get reliable function.  I have one of their complete lowers from a P415 and love it...no uppers, however.  I found this article, and I guess it's what we're talking about here?...perhaps?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/04/30/beware-commercial-308-fluted-chambers/

Edit:  I see the POF .308 is a piston rifle.  Is this something more unique to a piston .308 as far as extraction issues go?
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It is unique to the poof 308 rifle.
4/30/2015 9:31:58 PM EDT
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Yes POF made the Gen 4 with four slots or channels of you will in the chamber to help extraction. There some good videos of you google POF Gen 4 made by POF if you want more info. This is not exclusive to the Gen 4 P308 both the Gen 4 P415 also has this design. I'm sure thier full auto P&M versions have them as well. That being said yes many argue that it was "a solution to a problem that didn't exist". I never once had extraction issues with my Gen 3, at least not when I had the gas block in the full open mode. However in the bolt action mode it was pretty hard to extract cases with a standard charging handle. POF does make a modification that allows you to replace the charging handle with what is similar to a bolt (not sure of the terminology but again POF made some pretty descriptive videos on it. For those of you who don't know POF rifles have the ability to change the gas port which constricts gas flow (suppressed) and fully block gas flow (bolt action). Perhaps this is one of the reasons they came up with the new chamber design. But I don't fault them for innovation, maybe the new chamber design works very well in hostile environment conditions or when the chamber is very dirty who knows.

Guess I'll have to solve this riddle on my own
4/30/2015 11:33:27 PM EDT
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Yes POF made the Gen 4 with four slots or channels of you will in the chamber to help extraction. There some good videos of you google POF Gen 4 made by POF if you want more info. This is not exclusive to the Gen 4 P308 both the Gen 4 P415 also has this design. I'm sure thier full auto P&M versions have them as well. That being said yes many argue that it was "a solution to a problem that didn't exist". I never once had extraction issues with my Gen 3, at least not when I had the gas block in the full open mode. However in the bolt action mode it was pretty hard to extract cases with a standard charging handle. POF does make a modification that allows you to replace the charging handle with what is similar to a bolt (not sure of the terminology but again POF made some pretty descriptive videos on it. For those of you who don't know POF rifles have the ability to change the gas port which constricts gas flow (suppressed) and fully block gas flow (bolt action). Perhaps this is one of the reasons they came up with the new chamber design. But I don't fault them for innovation, maybe the new chamber design works very well in hostile environment conditions or when the chamber is very dirty who knows.

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Anyone read the current issue of American Rifleman?  They speak quite highly of the POF415 and its performance and design.  I have one of their Gen3 lowers and am very pleased with it.  Have you tried to contact POF to ask them about this?...mainly the part about denting cases?
5/1/2015 12:23:31 AM EDT
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No I haven't contacted them. Reason being that there is at least one video where they claim the brass can be reloaded. So I have a feeling that's what they'll say. Maybe it's worth asking though. My experience with POF's customer service has been good thus far.

At the end of the day is the brass capable of being reloaded? Probably. I'm just not sure how this doesn't stress the brass more than a normal AR10 chamber.
5/11/2015 3:27:03 PM EDT
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In case anyone was interested here is the response I received from POF.

"I am afraid I don’t have any information or research regarding the case life when using E2 chambers vs standard chambers, I suspect there is no difference though except on the softer brass."
5/12/2015 3:01:22 PM EDT
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I reloaded many brands of brass fired from the following fluted chamber rifles without any problems other then the cosmetic marks from the fluted chambers.. PE 57, SIG AMT, HK91, HK SR9TC, SVT40.
5/12/2015 7:47:54 PM EDT
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Larue's have a helical chamber and supposedly they can be reloaded.  Guess I'll be finding out in a couple weeks...

Also seen where it's recommended to use a good case lube like imperial sizing wax to reduce the chance of getting a stuck case.
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