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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Perfecta strikes again... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/2/2016 6:21:26 PM EDT
So I went to the range today and decided since I had a box of this crap left I'd just it as range fodder, 40 rounds into the 50 and my decides to lock tigter then fort know, finally got the bolt back enough and this fell right into my lap.
After I checked to make sure the gun was still functional I proceeded to bump 5 mags of 55gr 5.56 American Eagle out of it without so much as a hickup, then another mag of XTAC M855 with out so much as a hickup.... |
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So I went to the range today and decided since I had a box of this crap left I'd just it as range fodder, 40 rounds into the 50 and my decides to lock tigter then fort know, finally got the bolt back enough and this fell right into my lap. http://i.imgur.com/4VqDOMd.jpg After I checked to make sure the gun was still functional I proceeded to bump 5 mags of 55gr 5.56 American Eagle out of it without so much as a hickup, then another mag of XTAC M855 with out so much as a hickup.... It looks like it was damaged from the bolt prior to being chambered? I assume it didn't go in the mag looking like that. |
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It looks like it was damaged from the bolt prior to being chambered? I assume it didn't go in the mag looking like that. Quoted:
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So I went to the range today and decided since I had a box of this crap left I'd just it as range fodder, 40 rounds into the 50 and my decides to lock tigter then fort know, finally got the bolt back enough and this fell right into my lap. http://i.imgur.com/4VqDOMd.jpg After I checked to make sure the gun was still functional I proceeded to bump 5 mags of 55gr 5.56 American Eagle out of it without so much as a hickup, then another mag of XTAC M855 with out so much as a hickup.... It looks like it was damaged from the bolt prior to being chambered? I assume it didn't go in the mag looking like that. Wasn't even going to try putting it back in the mag or shooting it the way it looked. This isn't the first time I've had a perfecta do this to me though. I was running a friends AR and he had Perfecta in it, same issue. |
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Didn't take the chance, it sleeps with the fishes now, threw it in the nearby swamp before I left............lets let people 3k years from now deal with it lol Quoted:
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Run it. Bet the case ejects looking great again. Didn't take the chance, it sleeps with the fishes now, threw it in the nearby swamp before I left............lets let people 3k years from now deal with it lol "It fell in the lake" isn't gonna cut it soon enough, I fear. Seriously thiugh, that case was ugly but functional, and it's a weapon quirk not an ammo quirk that I'd be looking for as the cause. |
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I shoot the HELL out of the 9mm Perfecta made by Fiocchi. It is awesome stuff.... light loaded, and uber reliable. It also happens to be the cheapest 9mm available - $9.78 at WalMart. Never shot their .223, too many better options. I'm not sure perfecta is actually made by fiocchi. When I had a problem with their 223 ammo, I had to go through Tula. |
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I'm not sure perfecta is actually made by fiocchi. When I had a problem with their 223 ammo, I had to go through Tula. Quoted:
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I shoot the HELL out of the 9mm Perfecta made by Fiocchi. It is awesome stuff.... light loaded, and uber reliable. It also happens to be the cheapest 9mm available - $9.78 at WalMart. Never shot their .223, too many better options. I'm not sure perfecta is actually made by fiocchi. When I had a problem with their 223 ammo, I had to go through Tula. http://www.fiocchiuk.com/site/index.php?pag=791&linea=53&titolo_prod=Perfecta%20Line It is possible they source from other manufacturers for some lines. Mine says "made in Italy" on the box, and it is well known Fiocchi makes it. It is distributed by Tula 
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Because it wasn't like that when loading the mag. I inspect every round before i even think about putting it into a mag. Quoted:
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How didn't you notice that while loading the mag Because it wasn't like that when loading the mag. I inspect every round before i even think about putting it into a mag. For ammo to be damaged like that would happen before being chambered. You can see the bolt lug scratches and dents. Unless it's soft brass that is a mag/gun issue. Your bolt shouldn't scrape the brass. |
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For ammo to be damaged like that would happen before being chambered. You can see the bolt lug scratches and dents. Unless it's soft brass that is a mag/gun issue. Your bolt shouldn't scrape the brass. Quoted:
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How didn't you notice that while loading the mag Because it wasn't like that when loading the mag. I inspect every round before i even think about putting it into a mag. For ammo to be damaged like that would happen before being chambered. You can see the bolt lug scratches and dents. Unless it's soft brass that is a mag/gun issue. Your bolt shouldn't scrape the brass. The mag was reloaded twice after this with American Eagle 5.56 and ran fine, even mag dumped it before i put it back (D&H Steelie). The only time I've ever seen one scratch a case like that is on a double feed from a PMAG, but this got shoved into the chamber. |
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Because it wasn't like that when loading the mag. I inspect every round before i even think about putting it into a mag. Quoted:
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How didn't you notice that while loading the mag Because it wasn't like that when loading the mag. I inspect every round before i even think about putting it into a mag. Yeah, no. |
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How didn't you notice that while loading the mag Because it wasn't like that when loading the mag. I inspect every round before i even think about putting it into a mag. Yeah, no. Ok care to elaborate? Care to tell us how you know exactly what I do and don't do? |
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I have to ask... were you trying to bump fire the Perfecta ? If so... it looks like it short stroked and got jammed up. What rifle and barrel ? That or over gassed. Maybe pair it with A bad mag and might not be ammo induced at all. But a faster bcg will mash it up worse. |
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That or over gassed. Maybe pair it with A bad mag and might not be ammo induced at all. But a faster bcg will mash it up worse. Quoted:
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I have to ask... were you trying to bump fire the Perfecta ? If so... it looks like it short stroked and got jammed up. What rifle and barrel ? That or over gassed. Maybe pair it with A bad mag and might not be ammo induced at all. But a faster bcg will mash it up worse. No no, op blames the ammo... |
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No no, op blames the ammo... Quoted:
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I have to ask... were you trying to bump fire the Perfecta ? If so... it looks like it short stroked and got jammed up. What rifle and barrel ? That or over gassed. Maybe pair it with A bad mag and might not be ammo induced at all. But a faster bcg will mash it up worse. No no, op blames the ammo... Please allow me to cry a river... oh wait...i forgot i just don't care, I have no more of that ammo and do not plan on picking up anymore of it. I'll stick to Federal and PMC, yet even though according to the internet I'll still be wrong no matter if its the ammo's fault or the guns fault or anything elses fault in between. 
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Please allow me to cry a river... oh wait...i forgot i just don't care, I have no more of that ammo and do not plan on picking up anymore of it. I'll stick to Federal and PMC, yet even though according to the internet I'll still be wrong no matter if its the ammo's fault or the guns fault or anything elses fault in between. Quoted:
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I have to ask... were you trying to bump fire the Perfecta ? If so... it looks like it short stroked and got jammed up. What rifle and barrel ? That or over gassed. Maybe pair it with A bad mag and might not be ammo induced at all. But a faster bcg will mash it up worse. No no, op blames the ammo... Please allow me to cry a river... oh wait...i forgot i just don't care, I have no more of that ammo and do not plan on picking up anymore of it. I'll stick to Federal and PMC, yet even though according to the internet I'll still be wrong no matter if its the ammo's fault or the guns fault or anything elses fault in between. It certainly could be the ammo, but that can happen to any brand. There has been enough user feedback to state that Perfecta 223 is not all CRAP, as you describe it. I avoid xm193 because of primer popping issues. There are mostly good lots, then some bad ones of it. Fiocchi loads Perfecta to Walmart's specs and price point, so it isn't as good or QCed as Fiocchi's labelled ammo, but experience shows it isn't just CRAP. |
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It certainly could be the ammo, but that can happen to any brand. There has been enough user feedback to state that Perfecta 223 is not all CRAP, as you describe it. I avoid xm193 because of primer popping issues. There are mostly good lots, then some bad ones of it. Fiocchi loads Perfecta to Walmart's specs and price point, so it isn't as good or QCed as Fiocchi's labelled ammo, but experience shows it isn't just CRAP. Quoted:
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I have to ask... were you trying to bump fire the Perfecta ? If so... it looks like it short stroked and got jammed up. What rifle and barrel ? That or over gassed. Maybe pair it with A bad mag and might not be ammo induced at all. But a faster bcg will mash it up worse. No no, op blames the ammo... Please allow me to cry a river... oh wait...i forgot i just don't care, I have no more of that ammo and do not plan on picking up anymore of it. I'll stick to Federal and PMC, yet even though according to the internet I'll still be wrong no matter if its the ammo's fault or the guns fault or anything elses fault in between. It certainly could be the ammo, but that can happen to any brand. There has been enough user feedback to state that Perfecta 223 is not all CRAP, as you describe it. I avoid xm193 because of primer popping issues. There are mostly good lots, then some bad ones of it. Fiocchi loads Perfecta to Walmart's specs and price point, so it isn't as good or QCed as Fiocchi's labelled ammo, but experience shows it isn't just CRAP. 
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Fiocchi loads Perfecta to Walmart's specs and price point, so it isn't as good or QCed as Fiocchi's labelled ammo, but experience shows it isn't just CRAP. Absolute baloney. Which part? It's loaded by Fiocchi. That's incontrovertible. Since you make the claim it's false, it's on you to prove otherwise. It sure isn't crap. |
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Arfcom CANNOT believe that something from the same manufacturer is loaded to any lower specs than other stuff they make.
I'm suspicious it would make them feel like their stuff isn't as good as they were thinking. I don't get it... the maroon and black 'Champion' boxed ammo that Federal supplies Walmart is loaded to a different spec, specially for Walmart. It's loaded for somewhat reduced pressured, to make to harder to blow up or damage anything if something should go funny. It also makes it a little cheaper. So if Federal does it, why is it so hard to believe Fiochi does do? As far as QC goes... I wouldn't worry too much about that. Basically 'fire and forget' with the machines, though I'm sure they still have people watching for bad rounds. But it might have a sloppier, faster reamed primer pocket, etc. As far as popping primers in XM193... it's probably because it's loaded hotter than most, if loaded to NATO specs. Also, it can depend a LOT on what your barrel is like inside. If it's tighter, the pressures get higher and you can pop primers. But probably not the ammo's fault. |
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If you make claims - cite your sources.
It isnt that Arfcom doesn't believe something. It is simply if you are going to make statements like these: "Fiocchi loads Perfecta to Walmart's specs" "isn't as good or QCed as Fiocchi's labelled ammo" "the maroon and black 'Champion' boxed ammo that Federal supplies Walmart is loaded to a different spec, specially for Walmart. It's loaded for somewhat reduced pressured" Then you need to back that up with a cited source. In God we trust, all others, bring data. Without a source, it is just more gun-store mythology. |
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Since you make the claim it's false, it's on you to prove otherwise.  Please see: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
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"Walmart specs"? Is that like the Colt 6920's built to Walmart specs? You didnt know? WalMart has a team of ammunition specialists who evaluate, test, and measure chamber pressures, and dictate to ammunition manufacturers the exact chamber pressures they want for their special ammo. 
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For ammo to be damaged like that would happen before being chambered. You can see the bolt lug scratches and dents. Unless it's soft brass that is a mag/gun issue. Your bolt shouldn't scrape the brass. Quoted:
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How didn't you notice that while loading the mag Because it wasn't like that when loading the mag. I inspect every round before i even think about putting it into a mag. For ammo to be damaged like that would happen before being chambered. You can see the bolt lug scratches and dents. Unless it's soft brass that is a mag/gun issue. Your bolt shouldn't scrape the brass. Undergassed (weak ammo) could do that if the bolt short stroked and barely ejected the empty case but didn't travel far enough to get behind the next round to push it out of the mag. The bolt lugs drag along the top of the case as the magazine pushes the live round against the bottom of the bolt lugs. That would mean he had a failure to feed then manually cycled the charging handle to chamber the now damaged round at which point the Yankee ganked up round got wedged part in part out of the chamber further mashing it. Edit - Stupid spell check turned ganked to Yankee. WTF! |
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I had an issue with 357 perfecta. Had 10 boxes of bad stuff that would shave the jacket on the forcing cone on the way out. Fought like hell to get Walmart to take it back. The gave me my money but wanted me to ship the ammo back (on their dime) but.... After all that they couldn't get their shit together enough so I ended up giving it to a friend for his lever gun. |
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Undergassed (weak ammo) could do that if the bolt short stroked and barely ejected the empty case but didn't travel far enough to get behind the next round to push it out of the mag. The bolt lugs drag along the top of the case as the magazine pushes the live round against the bottom of the bolt lugs. That would mean he had a failure to feed then manually cycled the charging handle to chamber the now damaged round at which point the Yankee ganked up round got wedged part in part out of the chamber further mashing it. Edit - Stupid spell check turned ganked to Yankee. WTF! Quoted:
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How didn't you notice that while loading the mag Because it wasn't like that when loading the mag. I inspect every round before i even think about putting it into a mag. For ammo to be damaged like that would happen before being chambered. You can see the bolt lug scratches and dents. Unless it's soft brass that is a mag/gun issue. Your bolt shouldn't scrape the brass. Undergassed (weak ammo) could do that if the bolt short stroked and barely ejected the empty case but didn't travel far enough to get behind the next round to push it out of the mag. The bolt lugs drag along the top of the case as the magazine pushes the live round against the bottom of the bolt lugs. That would mean he had a failure to feed then manually cycled the charging handle to chamber the now damaged round at which point the Yankee ganked up round got wedged part in part out of the chamber further mashing it. Edit - Stupid spell check turned ganked to Yankee. WTF! There was no ganking on the charging handle UNTIL the gun went click, the round was in the chamber part the way and the bolt was almost home, but not enough to reset it for the firing pin to strike the primer. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Perfecta strikes again... (Page 1 of 2)
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