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7/26/2007 5:44:39 PM EDT
Okay, I'm getting really frustrated.  I'm in the process of putting together a DoubleStar lower with a kit from J&T.  I know that the pivot pin detent & spring can be one of the hardest things to install, but sheesh!  I even went and bought the "installation tool" and can't seem to get it to work.  Previously I put together a Bushmaster lower with one of their kits and while it was tricky, it wasn't anything like this.  (I'm just happy that J&T throws in an extra detent and spring in their kit.)

Can anybody offer me any insight, hints, or a clue-by-4 upside my head on this one?

7/26/2007 5:50:38 PM EDT
[#1]
You may have to shorten the spring or make sure the receiver doesn't have excess coating inside it.
7/26/2007 5:55:58 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm assuming you are talking about the front pin. It's actually easy to install withthe right tool. If you have a piece of bar stock or plastic rod, the same diameter as the puch pin, drill a hole through it's diameter. This hole shgould be slightly larger than the spring/detent. push the rod through the take down pin holes in the receiver from the left side to the right. Line up the hole in the receiver for the spring and the hole you drilled in the rod. Insert the spring through the hole in the rod into the hole in the receiver. Do the same for the detent. Use a punch to push the detent all the way in and turn the rod which will captivate the sring/detent. Now install the take down pin by pushing the rod out.

Bomber
7/26/2007 6:12:24 PM EDT
[#3]
You say you have the installation tool:
1. Insert the tool from the left to right
2. Line up the hole on the tool with the hole for the spring and detent
3. Drop the spring and detent through the hole of the installation tool into the receiver
4. Use a small diameter punch to depress the spring and detent through the hole on the installation tool
5. Rotate the installation tool 90 degrees
6. Spring and detent are held in place against the solid surface of the installation tool
7. Take your pivot pin and, from right to left, push the installation tool out of the lower receiver (You can try lining up the channel of the pivot pin with the detent but its easier just to push the pin through and rotate it until the detent falls into the channel)
8. Bite your thumb while saying to yourself "That was to easy!"
7/26/2007 6:34:47 PM EDT
[#4]
Tried that.  Can't get the detent pin to compress below the tool.

Could this be an issue with the spring either being too long, or the hole needing cleaning out like somebody above posted?  Currently the spring sits in the hole (uncompressed) with approx. 2-3mm sticking out.
7/26/2007 6:41:49 PM EDT
[#5]
You can take a small drill bit and gently rotate it inside the hole to clean out any debris
7/26/2007 6:46:53 PM EDT
[#6]
I still don't see why folks have troubles with this pin (excluding a debris-filled hole).  I just put the spring in, followed by the detent, then take the pin, and while using it to push the detent the rest of the way into the lower sort of "snap" the pin into place.

Works every time, easy as pie.
7/26/2007 6:49:48 PM EDT
[#7]
The spring does extend about 5mm out.
7/26/2007 6:56:59 PM EDT
[#8]
This might be silly but are you using the correct detent and have you checked that it fits in the hole?
7/26/2007 7:13:09 PM EDT
[#9]
As I see it, no question is silly.  he
I can get it to depress, just not below the bottom of the installation tool.  Which makes spinning it a bit tough.
7/26/2007 7:19:19 PM EDT
[#10]
Okay, I managed to get it done by snipping a bit off of the spring.  Detent goes in the hole all the way and pivot locks into place properly.

I'm hoping that this doesn't fubar anything up.  I do have an extra spring if I need to do it over.  Am I okay here?

7/26/2007 7:22:13 PM EDT
[#11]
Sounds like there's crap in there, John_H. Use a drill bit to clean out the bottom of the hole.



edit: Nevermind.
7/26/2007 7:29:29 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Okay, I managed to get it done by snipping a bit off of the spring.  Detent goes in the hole all the way and pivot locks into place properly.

I'm hoping that this doesn't fubar anything up.  I do have an extra spring if I need to do it over.  Am I okay here?

I have had to cut the springs before it will be OK
7/26/2007 7:39:20 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks for all the help guys.  Nice to know that there's a wealth of useful info out there.

7/26/2007 7:54:17 PM EDT
[#14]
Kind of an odd-ball way, but I have two fingers on my left hand that do not bend - so this works for me.

Second post from top - with pics

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