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11/9/2009 2:44:32 PM EDT
Here is a pic to prove it.  All this in only 45 years.

My dads VERY early SP1 next to my newly minted Mega.
11/9/2009 2:47:55 PM EDT
[#1]
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Here is a pic to prove it.  All this in only 45 years.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z260/98snakebite/IMG_0838.jpg
My dads VERY early SP1 next to my newly minted Mega.


Amazing isn't it?
XM-16E1 retro clone


Colt M4 Clone


Mark 12 Mod 1
11/9/2009 2:48:52 PM EDT
[#2]
You've come a long way baby!
11/9/2009 3:04:59 PM EDT
[#3]
Nice sticks and the all too popular and timeless blue couch..
11/9/2009 3:12:01 PM EDT
[#4]
not that couch again!!!! oh nice rifles by the way......
11/9/2009 3:21:09 PM EDT
[#5]
The couch is a legend
11/9/2009 3:48:00 PM EDT
[#6]
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The couch is a legend


before it evolved it was a chair and it had spots
11/9/2009 3:58:27 PM EDT
[#7]
Looks more like the work of a brilliant creator to me!  

11/9/2009 4:08:34 PM EDT
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11/9/2009 4:54:27 PM EDT
[#9]
your dad has a very cool AR.  Old farts like me love that look.
11/9/2009 4:56:25 PM EDT
[#10]
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Here is a pic to prove it.  All this in only 45 years.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z260/98snakebite/IMG_0838.jpg
My dads VERY early SP1 next to my newly minted Mega.


Amazing isn't it?
XM-16E1 retro clone
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/jcrowl/IMG_1689-2.jpg

Colt M4 Clone
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/jcrowl/000_0129-1.jpg

Mark 12 Mod 1
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/jcrowl/IMG_1765_1.jpg


You, sir, are my hero.
11/9/2009 5:19:36 PM EDT
[#11]
I like the SP-I better
11/9/2009 5:22:05 PM EDT
[#12]
It is pretty amazing how they have evolved.

My older brother bought a AR (SP-1) back in 1976. It was the first time I ever shot one ( I was 12). And what did he pay for it.....

Wait for it......


$350 out the door... funny thing is years later he sold it for $1000 at a gun show... If it had 1000 rds thru it.... maybe.. and he owned that bad boy right up thru the early 90's... He got rid of it because it took up two spots in his 7 gun Cabinet... He was and is a Fudd of the highest order.. but he knew he wanted an AR......nobody's perfect...
11/9/2009 5:24:43 PM EDT
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The couch is a legend


before it evolved it was a chair and it had spots


Before that is was a pillow and it will eventaully evolve into a Tempurpedic.
11/9/2009 5:27:57 PM EDT
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11/9/2009 5:32:21 PM EDT
[#15]
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your dad has a very cool AR.  Old farts like me love that look.


As do yung-uns like myself.
11/9/2009 5:43:25 PM EDT
[#16]
Eehhh, I prefer the SP1. Looks to be about a 65 vintage.
11/9/2009 5:51:59 PM EDT
[#17]
What trigger guard is that on the Mega?
11/9/2009 6:04:20 PM EDT
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What trigger guard is that on the Mega?


It is a solid billet lower.  The trigger gaurd is milled out with the rest of the lower.



Spikes will be coming out with a cool trigger gaurd soon enough.
11/9/2009 6:08:07 PM EDT
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The couch is a legend


before it evolved it was a chair and it had spots


11/9/2009 6:28:23 PM EDT
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Eehhh, I prefer the SP1. Looks to be about a 65 vintage.


Close. Serial is SP010XX Which I am told makes it a 64.  It has more character for sure.  I asked my dad if I could borrow it so I could surprise him and clean it up some.  I was going to order new furniture and have it all refinished, but I am having a hard time finding the early shiny furniture.
11/9/2009 6:35:24 PM EDT
[#21]
AR Platform......Yesterday.....Today......Forever !  
11/9/2009 6:57:19 PM EDT
[#22]
I evolved from this



to this




Although, I now have a bipod on it, so it keeps evolving.
11/9/2009 7:25:56 PM EDT
[#23]
May it never die.
11/10/2009 1:54:39 AM EDT
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Eehhh, I prefer the SP1. Looks to be about a 65 vintage.


Close. Serial is SP010XX Which I am told makes it a 64.  It has more character for sure.  I asked my dad if I could borrow it so I could surprise him and clean it up some.  I was going to order new furniture and have it all refinished, but I am having a hard time finding the early shiny furniture.


How much more shiny of furniture you want? What's on it now looks pretty shiny. Don't refinish anything on it (especially as a surprise ), it may hurt the value of it more than help it, especially on as early SP1 as it is.
11/10/2009 2:00:22 AM EDT
[#25]
BS, it was natural selection. The rifles that didn't jam as much lived, and were able to procreate. The rails were a DNA mutation.

11/10/2009 2:27:50 AM EDT
[#26]
I don't know, I'm a Darwin fan but that Mega sure looks intelligently designed to me.  Nice rifle.
11/10/2009 4:27:08 AM EDT
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Eehhh, I prefer the SP1. Looks to be about a 65 vintage.


Close. Serial is SP010XX Which I am told makes it a 64.  It has more character for sure.  I asked my dad if I could borrow it so I could surprise him and clean it up some.  I was going to order new furniture and have it all refinished, but I am having a hard time finding the early shiny furniture.


How much more shiny of furniture you want? What's on it now looks pretty shiny. Don't refinish anything on it (especially as a surprise ), it may hurt the value of it more than help it, especially on as early SP1 as it is.


The pictures don't show it but the old girl has had a hard life.  I don't think she has ever had a case or a gun safe to call home.  There are deep gouges all over the fiberglass furniture and there is light rust on the barrel, and scratches on the receivers.  It has an incorrect FCG, rear takedown pin, selector, and bolt carrier.  Curiously, it has the correct chrome mp bolt, FP, and FP retainer.  I would imagine all of those things were replaced due to use.  How would one go about returning her to her former glory?
11/10/2009 2:14:06 PM EDT
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The pictures don't show it but the old girl has had a hard life.  I don't think she has ever had a case or a gun safe to call home.  There are deep gouges all over the fiberglass furniture and there is light rust on the barrel, and scratches on the receivers.  It has an incorrect FCG, rear takedown pin, selector, and bolt carrier.  Curiously, it has the correct chrome mp bolt, FP, and FP retainer.  I would imagine all of those things were replaced due to use.  How would one go about returning her to her former glory?


I'd still leave the finish & furniture as is, gives it character, shows it's not been a safe queen.

Rub the barrel (lightly) with some fine steel wool & CLP for lubrication, that should take care of the light rust. Keep it oiled.

I noticed the wrong carrier the first time I looked at the picture. Good luck finding the correct carrier. I'm in the same boat with my 65 SP1, the correct BCG was missing from mine when I got it. I'm looking for a slick side parkerized M16 carrier for it, since the likelihood of finding the correct carrier for it is not good.

Kinda doubt those parts were replaced, due to use. More than likely a collector swapped them.

Like I said I'd leave the finish & furniture alone. That's just my opinion though.

If you want more info on it, & more (better) opinions on the rifle in general, come check out the Retro Forum. They'd be more than happy to hear about it & answer your questions.
11/10/2009 8:08:17 PM EDT
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The pictures don't show it but the old girl has had a hard life.  I don't think she has ever had a case or a gun safe to call home.  There are deep gouges all over the fiberglass furniture and there is light rust on the barrel, and scratches on the receivers.  It has an incorrect FCG, rear takedown pin, selector, and bolt carrier.  Curiously, it has the correct chrome mp bolt, FP, and FP retainer.  I would imagine all of those things were replaced due to use.  How would one go about returning her to her former glory?


I'd still leave the finish & furniture as is, gives it character, shows it's not been a safe queen.

Rub the barrel (lightly) with some fine steel wool & CLP for lubrication, that should take care of the light rust. Keep it oiled.

I noticed the wrong carrier the first time I looked at the picture. Good luck finding the correct carrier. I'm in the same boat with my 65 SP1, the correct BCG was missing from mine when I got it. I'm looking for a slick side parkerized M16 carrier for it, since the likelihood of finding the correct carrier for it is not good.

Kinda doubt those parts were replaced, due to use. More than likely a collector swapped them.

Like I said I'd leave the finish & furniture alone. That's just my opinion though.

If you want more info on it, & more (better) opinions on the rifle in general, come check out the Retro Forum. They'd be more than happy to hear about it & answer your questions.


I would agree with you about the parts swappage, but my dad owned the thing since the m d 70s and bought it from the original owner.  I know he had some work done on it in the late 70s, and maybe they just swapped a whole new LPK into her.  Hard to say.  I will have to pop into the retro forums and make a post or two.  The weird thing is the bolt shows no wear, but significant filth,  Maybe there is something to the original stoner chrome bolt specification.
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