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Posted: 7/4/2016 9:16:02 PM EDT
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Looks like they are keeping the Mod-1 now. Calling it the Mod-1-P. Great decision. I wonder with all the negative feedback of the Mod 2 they decided to keep that line.
A rep told me a few months ago they were discontinuing it. I told him, I think that's a big mistake. I'm thrilled. Saving up for the 11" upper now ! |
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Mod1: 4 position gas block, nickel teflon plating on bcg and piston rod
Mod1-p: 3 position gas block, nitrided bcg and piston rod, newer gen fh/brake, shorter keymod rails. Mod2: 3 position gas block, nitrided bcg and piston rod, bcm picmod rail, newer gen fh/brake, lightened upper receiver, ambi lower(much better than the mod1 lower) I might have gotten the coatings wrong, but the old mod1 is a silver/nickel coating. The mod2 and mod1-p have a black nitride like finish. There might be some other differences too. I have the mod1 mk118-223w, and a mod1 mk116-7.62x39. I also have the mod2 mk114-223w. The mod2 is lighter, the rail is better (for me). The gas block difference does not matter for me as only the number of suppressor settings changed (don't use one). The only downside to the mod2 is the lightning cuts on the upper receiver are not my cup of tea. The mod2 lower is by far better than the mod1. If you get just the upper, not a big deal imo. As I do not suppress these rifles, the differences are more preference based rather than performance based. With that said, the mod2 handles better, but.... there are a lot of good deals on the mod1/mod1-p rifles/uppers. |
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Mod1: 4 position gas block, nickel teflon plating on bcg and piston rod Mod1-p: 3 position gas block, nitrided bcg and piston rod, newer gen fh/brake, shorter keymod rails. Mod2: 3 position gas block, nitrided bcg and piston rod, bcm picmod rail, newer gen fh/brake, lightened upper receiver, ambi lower(much better than the mod1 lower) I might have gotten the coatings wrong, but the old mod1 is a silver/nickel coating. The mod2 and mod1-p have a black nitride like finish. There might be some other differences too. I have the mod1 mk118-223w, and a mod1 mk116-7.62x39. I also have the mod2 mk114-223w. The mod2 is lighter, the rail is better (for me). The gas block difference does not matter for me as only the number of suppressor settings changed (don't use one). The only downside to the mod2 is the lightning cuts on the upper receiver are not my cup of tea. The mod2 lower is by far better than the mod1. If you get just the upper, not a big deal imo. As I do not suppress these rifles, the differences are more preference based rather than performance based. With that said, the mod2 handles better, but.... there are a lot of good deals on the mod1/mod1-p rifles/uppers. cool thanks 
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| It appears they've gone to a mid-length gas (piston) system on some uppers. This is good news for the mk116, bad news for the mk118. It's my understanding that mid length systems with an 18" barrel are not optimal but I've not explored the rationale. I believe the mod2 118 uppers may have a somewhat lighter barrel profile as well but I could be wrong. |
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Quoted: Mod1: 4 position gas block, nickel teflon plating on bcg and piston rod Mod1-p: 3 position gas block, nitrided bcg and piston rod, newer gen fh/brake, shorter keymod rails. Mod2: 3 position gas block, nitrided bcg and piston rod, bcm picmod rail, newer gen fh/brake, lightened upper receiver, ambi lower(much better than the mod1 lower) I might have gotten the coatings wrong, but the old mod1 is a silver/nickel coating. The mod2 and mod1-p have a black nitride like finish. There might be some other differences too. I have the mod1 mk118-223w, and a mod1 mk116-7.62x39. I also have the mod2 mk114-223w. The mod2 is lighter, the rail is better (for me). The gas block difference does not matter for me as only the number of suppressor settings changed (don't use one). The only downside to the mod2 is the lightning cuts on the upper receiver are not my cup of tea. The mod2 lower is by far better than the mod1. If you get just the upper, not a big deal imo. As I do not suppress these rifles, the differences are more preference based rather than performance based. With that said, the mod2 handles better, but.... there are a lot of good deals on the mod1/mod1-p rifles/uppers. |
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Like Bwong91 said, the MK1-P is a mix of the mod 1 and 2.
Because PWS originally intended to get out of the mod 1 business once existing parts dried up, I thought the MK1-P was a transitional type of deal when I saw it a couple months ago. Maybe something created to sell off the final mod 1 parts b/c there wasn't enough remaining inventory for complete mod 1 rifles. But according to PWS the MK1-P is not temporary. Still wish they'd consider resurrecting the mod 1 as it was but as mentioned, cost is a factor too, simplifying your supply chain, etc. |
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I wonder with all the negative feedback of the Mod 2 they decided to keep that line. Just curious what negative feedback you're referring to? My Mk114 Mod 2 upper gets delivered tomorrow, but the lower is still on back order. If there have been reports of issues, it's not too late for me to return the upper and cancel the lower. I've been scouring the internet for feedback on the Mod 2, and have only seen a thread from when they were announced in January. I know they don't have a forward assist. When I spoke to PWS the other week they were confident a FA wasn't needed with their guns, but did say one of the reasons for the Mod 1-P was contracts that require a FA. |
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Just curious what negative feedback you're referring to? My Mk114 Mod 2 upper gets delivered tomorrow, but the lower is still on back order. If there have been reports of issues, it's not too late for me to return the upper and cancel the lower. I've been scouring the internet for feedback on the Mod 2, and have only seen a thread from when they were announced in January. I know they don't have a forward assist. When I spoke to PWS the other week they were confident a FA wasn't needed with their guns, but did say one of the reasons for the Mod 1-P was contracts that require a FA. Quoted:
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I wonder with all the negative feedback of the Mod 2 they decided to keep that line. Just curious what negative feedback you're referring to? My Mk114 Mod 2 upper gets delivered tomorrow, but the lower is still on back order. If there have been reports of issues, it's not too late for me to return the upper and cancel the lower. I've been scouring the internet for feedback on the Mod 2, and have only seen a thread from when they were announced in January. I know they don't have a forward assist. When I spoke to PWS the other week they were confident a FA wasn't needed with their guns, but did say one of the reasons for the Mod 1-P was contracts that require a FA. To my knowledge there haven't been issues with the reliability or function of the Mod 2, it revolves around less positions on the gas adjustment and no FA. Personally, I prefer the Mod 1. |
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To my knowledge there haven't been issues with the reliability or function of the Mod 2, it revolves around less positions on the gas adjustment and no FA. Personally, I prefer the Mod 1. Quoted:
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I wonder with all the negative feedback of the Mod 2 they decided to keep that line. Just curious what negative feedback you're referring to? My Mk114 Mod 2 upper gets delivered tomorrow, but the lower is still on back order. If there have been reports of issues, it's not too late for me to return the upper and cancel the lower. I've been scouring the internet for feedback on the Mod 2, and have only seen a thread from when they were announced in January. I know they don't have a forward assist. When I spoke to PWS the other week they were confident a FA wasn't needed with their guns, but did say one of the reasons for the Mod 1-P was contracts that require a FA. To my knowledge there haven't been issues with the reliability or function of the Mod 2, it revolves around less positions on the gas adjustment and no FA. Personally, I prefer the Mod 1. Thanks for clearing that up. The gas system settings didn't bother me as much as the lack of FA. I was having trouble deciding between Mod 1 & Mod 2. However, last week I found a a NIB MK116 Mod 1 for $1340 shipped...so I'll have one of each.
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Thanks for clearing that up. The gas system settings didn't bother me as much as the lack of FA. I was having trouble deciding between Mod 1 & Mod 2. However, last week I found a a NIB MK116 Mod 1 for $1340 shipped...so I'll have one of each. Quoted:
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I wonder with all the negative feedback of the Mod 2 they decided to keep that line. Just curious what negative feedback you're referring to? My Mk114 Mod 2 upper gets delivered tomorrow, but the lower is still on back order. If there have been reports of issues, it's not too late for me to return the upper and cancel the lower. I've been scouring the internet for feedback on the Mod 2, and have only seen a thread from when they were announced in January. I know they don't have a forward assist. When I spoke to PWS the other week they were confident a FA wasn't needed with their guns, but did say one of the reasons for the Mod 1-P was contracts that require a FA. To my knowledge there haven't been issues with the reliability or function of the Mod 2, it revolves around less positions on the gas adjustment and no FA. Personally, I prefer the Mod 1. Thanks for clearing that up. The gas system settings didn't bother me as much as the lack of FA. I was having trouble deciding between Mod 1 & Mod 2. However, last week I found a a NIB MK116 Mod 1 for $1340 shipped...so I'll have one of each. Now, if someone would just buy my Mod 0 upper so I could fund a Mk118 Mod1..... Lol |
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Now, if someone would just buy my Mod 0 upper so I could fund a Mk118 Mod1..... Lol About a year and a half ago people wanted the Mod 1 and were dumping Mod 0s. I bought 2 one low round count MK114 and one very low round count MK116. Paid less than $2K total for both delivered out the door. Less than 1800 actually Mod 0 is still an excellent gun and I use those 2 as my training rifles and intend to run them ragged. I also run my Mod 1 MK114 and intend on getting a Mod2 at some point but considering how cheap Mod 0s go for I see no reason to part with them They are still better than almost all other brand pistons made IMO |
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What's opinions the barrels ? I know some wish they were hammer forged. How tough are they ?
I would be curious to see how the gun would do in Robs Ak operators torcher test. The only Ar they have done is the BCM recee 7. It did well. When they ran over it it crushed the hand gaurd , but gas tube was ok and finished the course. I would think a Piston rifle would be screwed once it was ran over. Makes me wonder if they are a tougher rifle than DI in harsh environments |
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What's opinions the barrels ? I know some wish they were hammer forged. How tough are they ? I would be curious to see how the gun would do in Robs Ak operators torcher test. The only Ar they have done is the BCM recee 7. It did well. When they ran over it it crushed the hand gaurd , but gas tube was ok and finished the course. I would think a Piston rifle would be screwed once it was ran over. Makes me wonder if they are a tougher rifle than DI in harsh environments PWS told me the expected barrel life for the Mk1 series was 18k rounds and I believe they were QPQ. It looks like the new Mk1s use a new process on stainless barrels. |
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What's up with going back to shorter handgaurds ? Stupid
Makes me wonder what the hell Pws is doing. Why make this change ? I'd like to know. Only 3 gas settings and a shorter handgaurd. Am I missing something ? It's like they have a new Ceo and he's an idiot. So glad I got a Mod 1. And a mod 2 .308 before they screw that up |
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What's up with going back to shorter handgaurds ? Stupid Makes me wonder what the hell Pws is doing. Why make this change ? I'd like to know. Only 3 gas settings and a shorter handgaurd. Am I missing something ? It's like they have a new Ceo and he's an idiot. So glad I got a Mod 1. And a mod 2 .308 before they screw that up Didn't think there was a Mk2XX Mod 2... You mean the Mk2XX Mod 1? |
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Yes, the current mk216. I got one back in November on Black Friday. Less gas and shorter handgaurds are prolly coming next with it Could be. PWS seems to be on a "light is might" kick and I guess I don't blame them for that. I think they'll be looking to shave weight off their MK2 rifles. A sub 8# MK216 would be excellent, followed by a .243 variation. |
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