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2/2/2008 2:39:03 PM EDT
I have a new Bushmaster XM15-E2S that has cycled over 500 rounds of Wolf ammo without fail. I recently purchased a few thousand rounds from different vendors and have had nothing but trouble with one case in particular. Failure to chamber is the most common problem with an occasional ejection jam. When I compared the problem ammo to the trouble free ammo I noticed the rims were different. The ammo that cycled had a rounded or chamfered rim and the ammo that failed was pretty much squared. Here's a pic:

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Any like the one on the left won't cycle. Does it sound like an ammo or ejector problem?


2/2/2008 2:54:19 PM EDT
[#1]
I wouldn't think that the rim profile would affect chambering. Before anything I would make sure your rifle gets a real good cleaning with a chamber brush. If it still won't function then look to the ammo.
2/3/2008 4:04:31 AM EDT
[#2]
Will do. Thanks.
2/23/2008 7:21:02 PM EDT
[#3]
I cleaned the chamber until it shined. My problem got a little better but not much. You're right though it isn't the extractor, both casings fit it pretty much the same. The gun is clean so I'll have to look at how I'm lubing it.

Rookies, huh?
2/23/2008 10:49:18 PM EDT
[#4]
Don't lube the chamber.
2/24/2008 2:30:22 AM EDT
[#5]
Gotcha on that. I just put a coat of Remoil on the locking lugs, gas rings, cam pin, bolt lugs,  buffer tube, buffer,action spring and bolt carrier though, does that sound OK? Previously I was cleaning with WD40 and leaving nothing but a light (clean) coat of it in those areas. Thanks for the reply. Sooner or later, with the help and experience available here and a little trial and error on my part I'll get things sorted.

Thanks again.
2/24/2008 7:34:24 AM EDT
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Gotcha on that. I just put a coat of Remoil on the locking lugs, gas rings, cam pin, bolt lugs,  buffer tube, buffer,action spring and bolt carrier though, does that sound OK? Previously I was cleaning with WD40 and leaving nothing but a light (clean) coat of it in those areas. Thanks for the reply. Sooner or later, with the help and experience available here and a little trial and error on my part I'll get things sorted.

Thanks again.



Definitely use a gun lube like CLP or an oil. WD-40 is a poor lubricant.
2/26/2008 8:06:07 AM EDT
[#7]

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Gotcha on that. I just put a coat of Remoil on the locking lugs, gas rings, cam pin, bolt lugs,  buffer tube, buffer,action spring and bolt carrier though, does that sound OK? Previously I was cleaning with WD40 and leaving nothing but a light (clean) coat of it in those areas. Thanks for the reply. Sooner or later, with the help and experience available here and a little trial and error on my part I'll get things sorted.

Thanks again.


Do not use WD-40.
2/27/2008 4:23:40 PM EDT
[#8]
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Definitely use a gun lube like CLP or an oil. WD-40 is a poor lubricant.


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Do not use WD-40.


The salesman at Cabelas and a friend at work recommended using WD40. The friend cleans his shotguns with it but knows nothing about ARs so no big deal, but I'd expect someone who works the gun counter at Cabelas to know an AR needs a little extra care. hinking.gif

Anyhow, I cleaned the chamber, bore and any visible fouling with Pro-Shot Copper Solvent IV, blew out hard to reach areas with Gun Scrubber and lubed with Remoil. I also installed a one piece gas ring. At the range it cycled Federal American Eagle 50 gr HPs without a hint of a problem, but I had, if anything, more trouble with the Wolf than before.

I'm reading the writing on the wall and it says: "Forget the Wolf". Besides, the Am. Eagle was only $7.65 a box at the range.

Thanks again for the help.
2/27/2008 4:57:06 PM EDT
[#9]
IMHO Remoil not the best choice either. Get yourself some CLP.
2/27/2008 10:18:48 PM EDT
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IMHO Remoil not the best choice either. Get yourself some CLP.he
SOB at Cabelas that told me to use WD40 sold me the Remoil. houldn
2/28/2008 5:18:54 AM EDT
[#11]
Have you tried running the problem ammo thru a different firearm?  
2/29/2008 10:10:29 AM EDT
[#12]
No, this is the only .223 weapon I own. If I find another AR owner using Wolf at the range I'll ask them to try it.
2/29/2008 3:31:47 PM EDT
[#13]

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IMHO Remoil not the best choice either. Get yourself some CLP.


Will do.None of the three gun shops in my area carry it though. I'll have to get it online.

SOB at Cabelas that told me to use WD40 sold me the Remoil. Actually I shouldn't complain, he talked me out of the more expensive S&W M&P15 I was looking at and recommended the Bushmaster which I now think is a better entry level AR.


I can't imagine the gun shops not carrying CLP.  Look for the black bottles or cans labeled "Break-Free".  



ETA:  A Bushmaster is better than an "entry level" AR.  It's my duty AR.
3/2/2008 5:37:50 PM EDT
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I can't imagine the gun shops not carrying CLP.  Look for the black bottles or cans labeled "Break-Free".


I thought it was odd too. Particularly the shop nearest to me since they have a fairly large stock of Black Rifles, ARs in particular.

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Quoted:ETA:  A Bushmaster is better than an "entry level" AR.  It's my duty AR.h.gif

Wrong phrase, sorry. Even "beginners" isn't right. I guess I just mean it's a popular (plenty of support), affordable and reliable AR.
3/7/2008 11:09:04 AM EDT
[#15]
Hi, this is my first time I am posting on the forum (Please be kind). I am having the same exact problem with the Wolf Ammo. When I kept having the issue with the Wolf ammo I switched to some Federal Ammo I had with me and my AR worked smooth.

I have 2000 rounds of Wolf Ammo so I'm hoping to find a solution or fix so I can use the rest of this ammo. I would hate to think I have 2000 rounds of garbage.
3/7/2008 11:14:45 AM EDT
[#16]
Sell it to me, problem solved.
3/7/2008 11:31:57 AM EDT
[#17]
It might come down to it!
3/7/2008 6:26:09 PM EDT
[#18]
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the case on the left is out of spec.  The chamfer is needed to make sure the extractor claw cams over and gets a good grip on the rim.  If that chamfer is missing, chances are there are other out-of-spec dimensions.  Hard to tell, but it looks like the casing on the left is larger in diameter.  Large diameter casings tend to stick on insertion and extraction from the chamber.  Your extractor claw may be screwed already hammering on that steel rim.

Why mess around with out of spec ammo?  Sooner or later you are going to get hold of some that is SERIOUSLY out of spec, thin body or webbing,  and possibly have a KABOOM!.
3/7/2008 8:15:38 PM EDT
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the case on the left is out of spec.  The chamfer is needed to make sure the extractor claw cams over and gets a good grip on the rim.  If that chamfer is missing, chances are there are other out-of-spec dimensions.

+1 that is what I think also.
3/7/2008 10:18:23 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Hi, this is my first time I am posting on the forum (Please be kind). I am having the same exact problem with the Wolf Ammo. When I kept having the issue with the Wolf ammo I switched to some Federal Ammo I had with me and my AR worked smooth.

I have 2000 rounds of Wolf Ammo so I'm hoping to find a solution or fix so I can use the rest of this ammo. I would hate to think I have 2000 rounds of garbage.




try breaking in your AR with a few hundrred round of AE or any brass cased or mil-spec ammo before using your Wolf ammo......

if it still does'nt work, send it to me and i'll "dispose  of it properly and even reimburse you the shipping cost to me.......

just kidding.......
3/8/2008 3:56:23 AM EDT
[#21]
  WD 40 can be used to clean a rifle and especially if it been dunked in water. Use it as a flush  if you want to. Its cheap. But Don't use it as a lube. Use Break free CLP or equivalent . Its just plainly better. Walmart normally carries the aresol type. I use it mainly for cleaning because its thin. I use Break free LP or CLP for the lubing. There other good lubes out there also. Break free is just one of them and is what our military uses mainly. Sadly gunshop guys are normally the worst people to give advise.  Cheers WarDawg
3/8/2008 3:59:27 AM EDT
[#22]
Also ( I could be wrong ) I believe WOLF ammo is just a importor ? And they contrat  for the ammo  to be made all over Europe . Different factories anyhow. So  I guess it could vary batch to batch. Wolf is good plinking ammo IMO. Get  some proper loads for more urgent matters. As if your life depended on it. WarDawg
6/27/2008 7:52:34 PM EDT
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Have you tried running the problem ammo thru a different firearm?  


I recently purchased a Kel Tec PLR-16 and it cycles all of the different lots of Wolf I've fed it.

Since I last posted I've taken everyone's advice and tossed the WD-40. I have been cleaning the bore with Pro-Shot copper solvent, running a patch wet with Gun Scrubber through it then lubing it with Break-Free CLP. Everything else gets cleaned and lubed with just CLP (sometimes a little copper solvent on the bolt face). The last thing I do is buff out the chamber with a little Gun Scrubber. Any tips or critiques are, as always, greatly appreciated.

I've run over 500 rds. of nothing but brass cased ammo through it without a hiccup. Sooner or later I'll try the Wolf again, but for now I'll stick with the brass stuff.
6/28/2008 7:20:36 AM EDT
[#24]
Am I the only one thinking this is very clearly just an ammo issue?  Everything I've read about Wolf indicates that its a roll of the die as to whether you get reliable ammo or not.  I'd stay away from the Wolf and enjoy the hell out of your AR with known reliable ammo.
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