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Posted: 2/19/2007 11:02:58 PM EDT
| Ok so if i get a flat top upper with a regular front sight, and decide to mount a scope on the flat top, will the front sight interfear or block sight picture???? or should i get a flat top upper with a railed gas block so there is NO interfearance???? however i am building this project on a budget and wont be able to afford any flip up BUIS for quite awhile.............but want to have sights. I need some insight as to which route to go with this!!! Thanks in advance |
| Ok understand what your saying!!! Id like to have a standard FS, i also want a nice scope and dant want to see a blur b/c of the FS................and flip up sights are out of the question for quite a while. Thanks Guys i think im going to go with a flat top gas block, i can do with out Irons for a bit..............its not like ill never get BUIS! |
I had a 1.5-5 power scope and the FSB was very visible and bothered me. At the lower settings, it was like having a big greasy fingerprint on my glass, and the lower the setting, the bigger the blur. At 1.5 I pretty much had an absolute co-witness. For me, this is not desirable with expensive glass. You want a crystal clear sight picture, not a huge blur. You wouldn't buy a scope with foggy glass, so why buy a scope and then obscure it with the FSB? I would recommend getting a set-up that allows flip-up sights. This was my old rig.
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Damn Lawdog.........your brilliant and im a fucken retard, I never even thought of the see through scope rings, that would definatly allow me to keep the front sight and scope with out ruining picure quality through scope. im a real jackass. thanks!!!!!!! ETA- nice rig tho warnerve even if its old, thats kind of what im going for but i think ill get a bit bigger glass |
That will set the optic pretty high, in fact too high IMO... if your gonna do that you would might as well mount it on the carry handle. |
See-through rings in this case may not be see-through, IYKWIM, but they may get you high enough to get your plane above the front post. I say this because in a pich for a platform or risers one day (cheap ones broke when over-tightened) I had to use the scope rings off my Desert Eagle to keep hunting. It worked, but I don't think I could actually see through them. |
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ak4784, the key piece of info you have not yet dsisclosed to us is what power your scope will be. You've said it will be a "nice glass" but nice glass comes in a full range of magnifications. Honestly, at 6X you cannot see your front sight at all. At 10X, 20X, 25 X it is completely invisible. Really, I'm not kidding. What magnification do you plan to use? Having a scope that is mounted very high makes shooting very difficult. It become s impossible to get a decent cheek weld while aiming. If you add a fixed, high cheek piece you cannot aim using your iron sights. This negates the accuracy gained from yur scope unless you have an adjustable cheekpiece. Those are expensive. |
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Aw shit Mike Mills you opened a new can of worms What im looking for is a Rifle that i can mount a scope on using quick detach rings or a riser that i can remove and still have iron sights, I dont think ill need to use both at the same time just one or the other. I dont have the scope yet but i know i will spend $100-$150 on that after i have everything else built and going. If you say the sight is nearly invisible at 10x and up then ill just get a scope in that range. Does anybody have pics of there ARs with scopes mounted, so i can see how you guys are going about it!!!!! Thanks . Oh and please give a little info in the scope and mount and if you like it or not. |
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Here's what I did: Leupold MkIV rings with an ARMS #36 S-EX rail. This set up is not a $150 set up. The super-extended rail was installed because when shooting from the prone position my head goes very far forward of the charging handle. Couple those ergonomics with the super-long eye relief of the Leupold MkIV scopes and the scope had to be mounted very far forward - so far forward that the front ring was off the front end of the flat top receiver. This is why you see so many people with the extended rials on their flat tops - the flat top itself is too short. It is also why Leupold developed the MR/T scope just for the AR application. The MR/T has short eye relief, it helps keep the scope to the rear and is compatibly far away given the mild recoil of the 223 cartridge (the scope won't hit you during recoil). The S-EX rail adds about 1/2" to the height, so regular rings are all that was necessary. With the rail, super-high rings are not required. ARMS #36 S-EX SWAN SLEEVE A 3-9X scope is a decent compromise and they are lentiful and cheap. Leupold makes 3.5-10X which is basically the same thing. If you really want the scope for accurate shooting you are going to want a much higher power scope (25-40 X is not too much). The thing is, inexpensive, high magnification optics really, really SUCK. You are better off with a better quality lower power scope. Honestly, if you are only going to spend $150, look for a used Leupold. They have a lifetime warranty and you will be getting better optics than you can get if you buy a new $150 scope. The Burris "Signature" rings, with the plastic inserts are very well regarding and are not that expensive. The insert takes up minor misalignments and eliminates the need to lap the rings after installation. Burris Signature Zee rings Do you have any particular brands/models you were thinking of buying? |
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I cehcked ebay and there were several Leupold 3-9X Vari-X II scopes for sale that were under $150. There are too many to even bother posting a link. Go check it out. There are other brands that are also good and should be available lightly used. There are used Nikons, Weavers, ...just stay away from the junk brands. A lightly used scope will give you about 2X the bang for your buck. Many makers offer lifetime warrantys, too. Look for that. |
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