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Posted: 10/24/2007 4:45:07 AM EDT
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Anyone, how do you quietly lock and load an AR? I hunt predators and quiet is essential at the appropriate times. this may be a stupid question with a simple answer, but, I don't know how right now. I dont want to pull a laoded gun up into my climbing deer stand. |
You're right, it is a stupid question Why isnt the weapon loaded ahead of time before this "quite" requirement becomes an issue? Safety on, and finger off the trigger it isnt going to go off climbing into your stand. If you are uncomfortable with a loaded rifle, maybe you shold take up bow hunting?
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Most people do load their rifle once they get into the stand. Basic safety |
Even if he's loading it when he gets out of the truck letting the bolt THWACK forward would be pretty dumb, that's probably louder than slamming the door on the truck. Anyway-like has already been said, ease the bolt forward then close it the rest of the way with the forward assist. |
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Do what BigBore said! If you haven't changed the trigger group a normal AR has a battle field style trigger group it is hard to make it go bang with out pulling the trigger. If you leave the safty on that gun it can't go bang. The disconector is held down by the selector, it can't go off. You would have to have the disconector break or the back of the hammer break in which case the entire hammer would break and there would be nothing to hit the firing pin.
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Agreed , when we are out in the field before light not only do we ease the doors closed we only talk in a whisper. and the forward assist is the way to go. sound carries at night |
The rifle isn't on him when he climbs into the stand, it's on the ground with a rope tied to it, then he pulls it up after him when he gets up there. There are a lot of stands I would not get into with a rifle across my back, it can catch on branches, good way to end up falling and landing on your noggin. |
Of course if they hear the bolt slam home and arent on drugs you may not have to shoot em ;) |
No. Only the shotgun racking sound will scare off criminals.
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| Be locked and loaded before you get into your stand. There is a safety selector that will keep the weapon safe until you click it off. If soldiers can rely on their safeties to safe their weapons as they exit a helo or APC, or do any number of the more active tasks than climbing into a tree stand, then I'm sure it will work for you. If you can't accomplish this, then you might want to reconsider the weapon you use to hunt with. |
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I've always done exactly what he is doing, climb into the stand and then pull up up the rifle,which you have tied a rope to, and then load rifle. I've been to Blackwater but must have missed the part where they covered climbing into treestands, however I don't care how highspeed you are, pulling a rifle with a round in the chamber up to you with a rope is a dumbass move. Just because the army does something one way doesn't mean I'd do it hunting. I'll pass on riding from home to the treestand with my rifle slung and hot  I guess I should just stick to bowhunting if I don't travel everywhere while hunting with a hot weapon |
wouldn't you hate to be a statistic even if its a low one. |
Whaaaatttt? Oh well, at least you are using an AR for HD, and not a shotgun. |
A firearm loaded in chamber or magazine (other than a handgun if you have a valid NYS pistol permit) in any motor vehicle is a violation of the Environmental Conservation Law. I subscribe to your method of climbing into a tree stand. Rifle is unloaded and pulled up by rope after I have mounted the stand. Rifle is loaded once I am seated in the stand. To do otherwise is asking for Murphy to show up. |
I'm not talking about pulling a rifle up on a rope. I'm talking about keeping the rifle slung on your back while climbing up the tree.
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Ride the bolt forward with the charging handle and use the forward assist to get it into battery. Single load a round into the chamber and then insert the magazine after the bolt is forward. You can load a rifle almost silently with a little practice. Good for hunting as well as when you need to reload after weapon maintenance in a patrol base. |
But the original post is about pulling a rifle up on a rope, not climbing with it on your back. Everyone I know just pulls it up with a rope. |
| I don't think I would be considering using an AR-15 in an apartment. Your neighbors could get an unwelcome surprise through the wall. A shotgun with low-brass fowling shot or a pistol would be much safer for the non-combatants while being lethal to the intended target. |
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If you have a fully loaded mag you will need to ride the CH back and forth to "tap" the round out of the magazine. Just easing it forward won't get it since there is enough tension in the stack to stop the bolt. Once the round had been stripped and fed and the bolt is resting on the case head, tap the FA to seat the bolt into battery. Then close the port door. Alternately you can hand load one round, then ease the bolt down, tap the FA, close port door, and insert the magazine. Worrying about silently chambering a round inside your own house is Mall Ninja tradecraft at it's highest. Both my AK and AR sit in Condition 3 (or Cruiser Safe for LEO's). If I need to ready them I rip the CH to the rear and let it fly. If Senior Crackhead hears the round chamber and chooses to flee, then it will save me the trouble and expense of hiring a company to clean up the bloodstains. The goal is not to kill someone in your house. The goal is to safeguard your castle and your family. |
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For those advising to just load it before you climb into the stand and pull it up, what about a slam fire? I understand the safety will physically disable the fire control group, but what about dropping the rifle while hoisting it up or the rope breaking? I've seen firing pin dimples in several unfired rounds just from chambering them. With the free floating firing pin is it possible for the rifle to fire if it takes a hard enough impact on the stock? I'm not asking to be a smartass or anything like that, I'm asking because I don't know the answer. |
Yeah, just thinking outside the box.
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Go ahead and "rack it." You made more noise getting to the stand than you will loading. I think that people put to much at being "to quiet". I have walked up on more deer that I can remember. After 25 years working in the timber industry here in the PNW I could have killed more game while running yarder with a screaming V12 Cummin's just by stepping out of the cab and taking a 10 to 40 yard shot............JMHO.........YMMV...... Have a good hunt............. 
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+1 A shotgun is safer???? Dont think so.
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Even though I dont pull a rifle up by a rope when Im hunting I still know your sitiuation. Keep it unloaded until you get in the stand the use the methods posted above. Whoever said keep it hot either hasnt hunted alot or has been taught an unsafe way to do so. Probably the number one safety rule in climbing in a stand with a rifle is to not bad it until you are in the stand. It does not matter about the safety or how stiff the trigger is shit happens and climbing a stand with a chambered weapon oe pulling a rifle up by a rope with a bullet in the chamber is an easy way for shit to happen. Good Luck, Stay Safe , and have some great hunts |
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Load your damn rifle, put it on safe and climb, you puke. Or, sell your AR. Plus, if it goes off, you're OK, because most ADs (accidental dischaages) hit the brother-in-law anyway. In the Nam we humped mountains, waterfalls, ravines, elephant grass and villes with a round in the chamber and on safe. Unless you've dicked around with your rifle and not tested it, SAFE means SAFE. Seriously, load it, safe it and aim straight. As for noise at night in the house, I want the perp to hear me rack it up and the second he sees my laser his choices are stop and drop, hands high or shit and bleed. Semper Fi! |
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So lemme get this straight.....It's more dangerous to climb a treestand with a locked and loaded rifle than it is to fastrope from a helo? What abour rapelling down a cliff face? What about climbing up a cliff face? Oh teh noes! Methinks theres too many Fudds in the woods with "hair trigger" rifles and too many beers in the cooler deciding what is safe or not. What I find utterly amazing is I have actually fought with people with a HOT weapon with NO safety strapped to the side of my body and I am still here to tell about it.  Do what you feel is "safe". For sure there are no deer shooting back at you. But don't try to convince the rest of us that slinging a loaded weapon on safe is dangerous. Follow the four safety rules and make sure your weapon is mechanically sound. |
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Thanks for the useful answers. A couple of you others who think I am stupid or a puke are quite wrong. I am just fairly new to the AR. I am not in battle, just predator hunting. Some of you are right, I ease the door of the truck shut, and sneak to my hunting location. I have probably shot more deer, coyotes, fox, bear etc. than some of the weekend warriors have ever seen. Just mostly with a bolt action rifle or a home made longbow and arrows. Lke I said I am fairly new to the AR platform. I was taught some safety habits early on, and intend to keep them. I see no reason for smart as comments to an honest question. and thanks to those who gave thoughtful answers. |
| Yea but hes not going to be fastroping out of a helo hes going to be hunting. Unloaded gun while clibling or pulling it up by rope is a good safety rule of hunting. Now this is hunting animals not Hadjis there is no logical reason to have it loaded. This is coming from someone who know people that have climbed up a ladder with perfectly safe rifles loaded with them on safe and fallen and been shot. No It wasnt an AR but what if he gets into a habit of doing it and does it with his Custom Rifle with a hair trigger. |
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