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Posted: 11/13/2011 5:33:14 AM EDT
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I saw an RRA Operator II in a local shop yesterday and really liked it. I thought I'd come here and ask for opinions/experiences about them.
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| I like mine. Good fit and finish, and it shoots straight. It had almost everything I wanted for a decent price. I would rather have had a chrome barrel, but I won't shoot it out any time soon, and when I do, I can replace it. I very much like the trigger, among other things. You can build a better riffle for less, but if you want a complete rifle in a box, it's a good choice. |
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Also how would this compare with the BCM SOCOM upper that I'm originally looking at? RRA doesn't compare to BCM. Yes RR is much better...Just getting the argument started out right  I have a RR and it is fine..No experience with BCM but I am sure they are good too...
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I have both configured as a Reece style rifle. Both have 1x4 optics BDC'd for the M855 62 gr. Both have the Matech BUIS and they too are configured for the same round. The RRA has factory 2 stage trigger and the BCM has a 3lb. Timney. Both have been flawless in function and both are very accurate but the RRA shoots tighter groups with that round. It is the only round I shoot in both rifles so my experience is limited to that round and that round alone......... |
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Never used BCM. I picked a RRA Operator 2 for my first AR15 after a friend recommended RRA. I've got nothing but good things to say about it. Then again I haven't shot more than a few hundred rounds sine I bought it in August. It is very accurate at 100 yards. I haven't tested it beyond 100.
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I would call them both on any given day. Then whoever answers the phone is who I would go with. LOL  Some guys are too busy building awesome rifles to answer the phone. Shoot em an email and you'll have a response by the end of the week. Nothing is so important that a phone call is absolutely necessary.
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I would call them both on any given day. Then whoever answers the phone is who I would go with. LOL Some guys are too busy building awesome rifles to answer the phone. Shoot em an email and you'll have a response by the end of the week. Nothing is so important that a phone call is absolutely necessary. 
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I would call them both on any given day. Then whoever answers the phone is who I would go with. LOL Some guys are too busy building awesome rifles to answer the phone. Shoot em an email and you'll have a response by the end of the week. Nothing is so important that a phone call is absolutely necessary. So you buy a brand new car and have a question about said car, and you can't ever get a hold of said auto co. your cool with it as long as the auto co. is building a bunch more new ones. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Also how would this compare with the BCM SOCOM upper that I'm originally looking at? RRA doesn't compare to BCM. Why? I see people post stuff like this all the time without giving first-hand data to back it up. Not saying I know either way, but this is a technical forum and there should be a solid reason behind the advice people give. |
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Quoted: Because shut up!Quoted: Quoted: Also how would this compare with the BCM SOCOM upper that I'm originally looking at? RRA doesn't compare to BCM. Why? I see people post stuff like this all the time without giving first-hand data to back it up. Not saying I know either way, but this is a technical forum and there should be a solid reason behind the advice people give.  Listen OP, RRA makes a quality firearm. I've owned several and they are great guns. There are much more expensive AR-15s out there, but you really start to see diminishing returns after a certain point. RRA is a fine choice. Get what you want. I personally wouldn't buy the operator model unless they are now available with chrome lined bores. That's just a cleaning/longevity issue for me, but they could probably make it happen for you if you want. |
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Also how would this compare with the BCM SOCOM upper that I'm originally looking at? RRA doesn't compare to BCM. Why? I see people post stuff like this all the time without giving first-hand data to back it up. Not saying I know either way, but this is a technical forum and there should be a solid reason behind the advice people give. how about quality control? |
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4140 barrel 1/9 twist Non hpt/ mp bolt & barrel Chrome lined is an option Commercial RE Non staked castle nut Non F height fsp BCM: 4150 barrel 1/7 twist Hpt/ mp bolt & barrel Carpenter 158 bolt Chrome lined Mil spec re Staked castle nut F height fsp Bcm is a better rifle, period. The rra may be good enough for you, or you may never use the rra at a level that it makes a diffence. But saying the rra is just as good simply isn't true. |
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My experience. I had a BCM Midlength upper. It was flawless in operation but accuracy with every ammo I tried except for Black Hills 62gr was pure shit. I sold it. This year I built my son a carbine with parts from a RRA stainless midlength upper and a chrome BCG. Also flawless in operation and much more accurate with XM193 and M855 than the BCM ever was. I needed the benefits I could see now before the future theoretical ones ARFCOM likes to argue about.
I think RRA would have a better reputation if they dropped thier military clone and LEO models and just focus on hunting and target models. That seems like thier niche and they seem to be tooled up for that market. The LEO and home defense AR15 market has changed and they have not adapted to remain relevant. IIRC commercial grade parts should be cheaper in quality than industrial grade parts, which translates to lower retail pricing. Some people want milspec clones parts at bargian prices... But sometimes consumers want the Hummer H1 instead of the HMMWV. Something pretty that looks like the military issue but is not crude and built to perform under the worst possible conditions. You can't force feed the chart to every n00b asking for advice. The military's standard isn't the solution to every AR related problem. |
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I would call them both on any given day. Then whoever answers the phone is who I would go with. LOL Some guys are too busy building awesome rifles to answer the phone. Shoot em an email and you'll have a response by the end of the week. Nothing is so important that a phone call is absolutely necessary. Yeah, customer service is for losers! 
People answer the phone at Colt, LMT, Daniel Defense, FN, LaRue, and Rainier Arms. I don't know what LaRue's phone hours are, but Mark had people answering the phone when I called after 5pm, which surprised me. Even more surprising (in a good way!) was that the person knew the answer to my question. I didn't have to be transferred to a technician or put on hold. And for that, LaRue will get my continued business. My point isn't to say that the OP should buy a LaRue instead of a BCM or RRA. My point is that customer service matters to customers, especially if you have a question or problem, and having a staffed phone number is part of that. |
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Also how would this compare with the BCM SOCOM upper that I'm originally looking at? RRA doesn't compare to BCM. Why? I see people post stuff like this all the time without giving first-hand data to back it up. Not saying I know either way, but this is a technical forum and there should be a solid reason behind the advice people give. how about quality control? Quoted:
RRA: 4140 barrel 1/9 twist Non hpt/ mp bolt & barrel Chrome lined is an option Commercial RE Non staked castle nut Non F height fsp BCM: 4150 barrel 1/7 twist Hpt/ mp bolt & barrel Carpenter 158 bolt Chrome lined Mil spec re Staked castle nut F height fsp Bcm is a better rifle, period. The rra may be good enough for you, or you may never use the rra at a level that it makes a diffence. But saying the rra is just as good simply isn't true. This is the main reason. I've owned a RRA & it was a decent AR...I'm not saying that RRA doesn't make a decent AR. It's just that ARs like BCM puts out are top quality for what I use my ARs for. I want that extra bit of quality that companies like BCM, DD, LMT, Colt, etc., are offering at an affordable price. RRA charges more for less. But, don't think that I'm bashing others for their choice when they purchase RRA because I'm not. There's no reason for me to remain with RRA when BCM offers exactly what I want. That is all. |
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Hey OP, I've had mine for somewhere between 3000-3500 rounds.
Flawless, no misfires/hangfires/FTE/FTF, no nothing. All I shoot is Black Hills and AE, no steel case. Its a tack driver too. One less than positive thing to say about it, it weighs a shit ton in comparison to some other rifles out there. If you go back, definitely pick it up and check it out for yourself. |
| I didn't get to check this thread for a few days and had no idea there was so much info/advice in it! Thanks guys, I greatly appreciate everyone's input. After weighing all the options I've decided to go with BCM when it comes time to pull the trigger. Now I just have to wait for the insurance company to pay up. |
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I didn't get to check this thread for a few days and had no idea there was so much info/advice in it! Thanks guys, I greatly appreciate everyone's input. After weighing all the options I've decided to go with BCM when it comes time to pull the trigger. Now I just have to wait for the insurance company to pay up. Post pics when it arrives. 
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I didn't get to check this thread for a few days and had no idea there was so much info/advice in it! Thanks guys, I greatly appreciate everyone's input. After weighing all the options I've decided to go with BCM when it comes time to pull the trigger. Now I just have to wait for the insurance company to pay up. Post pics when it arrives. Will do. |
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