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Posted: 1/2/2009 4:10:32 PM EDT
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I do have 1 consistant sub MOA rifle. Its a 24" Stainless HBAR.
I have yet to own a "milspec" rifle or carbine that shoots anywhere close to that well. I recently tried a couple different rifles and carbines to see what they would really do. I fired 5 ten round groups with each load/gun. The measurements are the averages of 5 ten round groups at 100 meters. Carbine #1: CMMG 16" 1:7 M4 Ammo: Black Hills NATO 77Gn Nosler Average: 3.45" I was not pleased with this result! Rifle #2: Colt 20" 1:9 HBAR Ammo: Fed XM193 Average: 1.78" Pretty goods so I tried some cheap stuff. Ammo: SA M1A3 Average: 3.64" Ug, you get what you pay for. Being unhappy with the CMMG I free floated the Brl. Using the BH NATO 77Gn Nosler again... Average: 1.93" Much better, but still not great. Looks like slightly under 2" at 100M is about as well as I can do with factory 5.56mm pressure loads. My hats off to you guys that shoot sub MOA with ball ammo and iron sighted milspec guns. |
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In my experience and many others LMT's seem to be pretty accurate for a mil-spec type gun using mil-spec ammo. Also in my experience Colt seems to be about 1.5-3" on average.
A 2" AR will still hit the torso on a human at 500 yards. Id be perfectly happy with a carbine doing 2" that is reliable. |
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Steve, If the 24" SS HBAR you refer to is the CR6724, it is a true 1/2 MOA rifle with tuned handloads. As stated above in another post, the trigger and matched to your rifle ammunition is the key to this level of success. My Colt CR6724 has accuracy nodes with the 77 Sierra MK bullet which are about 180 ft/secs apart. If you do not reload, but have a friend that does, ask him/her to load some for you using the ladder method as found on the web. You will shoot the best groups you have ever fired once you see this methods results. |
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Quoted: try a few different loads and bullet weights (or sizes, depending on how you look at it). While this is good advice, the advantage to reloading the ammunition for yourself is the ability to produce more of the winning combination once you find it. Even if you do find a RemChester 59 grain Blitzbanger that shoots one hole groups... at any range, there loading of that bullet changes with the next powder delievery. Do your self a favor and eliminate the variables that you can control. 405 yard group with the 6724 and Sierra 77 MK's witnessed by other AR15 members. Factory ammo ain't gonna cut that mustard. 
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| nothing to add since I don't even know what AR i am buying yet but I am also looking at a sub 1" AR so this is right up my alley. I'll be watching to see what else the more experienced AR shooters have to say. I got to say though 308 sako... that is some fantastic shooting! I shot on the rifle team in college and even our best shooter with a very expensive custom tuned bolt action was not able to do any better than that. Got a pic of your rig? I'd love to see it. Just tryin to learn as much as I can. |
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Quoted: nothing to add since I don't even know what AR i am buying yet but I am also looking at a sub 1" AR so this is right up my alley. I'll be watching to see what else the more experienced AR shooters have to say. I got to say though 308 sako... that is some fantastic shooting! I shot on the rifle team in college and even our best shooter with a very expensive custom tuned bolt action was not able to do any better than that. Got a pic of your rig? I'd love to see it. Just tryin to learn as much as I can. Just to really make this hijack complete... Apologies to OP  Colt 6724, Leupold MK4-16X with Dot reticle, Jewell trigger, Tubb CWS and CS springs, Sierra Precision grip, Limbsaver barrel dampener (not shown) GG&G riser.  |
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Steve, If the 24" SS HBAR you refer to is the CR6724, it is a true 1/2 MOA rifle with tuned handloads. As stated above in another post, the trigger and matched to your rifle ammunition is the key to this level of success. My Colt CR6724 has accuracy nodes with the 77 Sierra MK bullet which are about 180 ft/secs apart. If you do not reload, but have a friend that does, ask him/her to load some for you using the ladder method as found on the web. You will shoot the best groups you have ever fired once you see this methods results. Can someone post a link to a description of the ladder method mentioned in the above post? I couldn't find anything. thx! |
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Enjoyed this thread, I think round 2 moa is realistic with a light rifle and standard ammo.
Excellent shooting 308sako, was wondering what optics you were using, must be a fantastic rifle.....but as we all know the guy pulling the trigger must be doing his part as well!! ....if I managed that I think I'd frame it and hang it on the wall 
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Quoted: http://www.desertsharpshooters.com/manuals/incredload.pdfQuoted: Steve, If the 24" SS HBAR you refer to is the CR6724, it is a true 1/2 MOA rifle with tuned handloads. As stated above in another post, the trigger and matched to your rifle ammunition is the key to this level of success. My Colt CR6724 has accuracy nodes with the 77 Sierra MK bullet which are about 180 ft/secs apart. If you do not reload, but have a friend that does, ask him/her to load some for you using the ladder method as found on the web. You will shoot the best groups you have ever fired once you see this methods results. Can someone post a link to a description of the ladder method mentioned in the above post? I couldn't find anything. thx! The ladder method. |
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