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Posted: 11/25/2013 5:42:27 PM EDT
Picked up this set on evilbay. Early M11E3 with seamless handle and vertical hole. Also, has the long patch holder.
Should be able to spot the differences below. Early on the left, modern on the right. 
I've been trying to find early cleaning rod sets for awhile and this is the first I've been able to find. Anybody know how "rare" these are? |
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Wow look how much of the parkerizing has been removed from the rod think of how many barrels it has ruined by being used. Remember the absolute worst thing you can do to your rifle barrel is to use a steel segmented cleaning rod !!!!!!! Nothing will create more crown damage or throat and muzzle wear. I'm sorry somone rescued that rod from the trash and sold it to you, other than nastalga it is worthless. |
The early, early cleaning kits were 3-part IIRC. The handle section was different as well. I think WillP has some pics on his site. Actually, the 'correct' cleaning kit for an early XM16E1 would likely be a Birchwood -Casey commercial set from the time period - remember the DoD scrambling to purchase cleaning kits after the self-cleaning myth was 'disproved?' 
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The early, early cleaning kits were 3-part IIRC. The handle section was different as well. I think WillP has some pics on his site. Actually, the 'correct' cleaning kit for an early XM16E1 would likely be a Birchwood -Casey commercial set from the time period - remember the DoD scrambling to purchase cleaning kits after the self-cleaning myth was 'disproved?' I think that's actually where I first saw all of the different kinds. The different "models" all seem to have come out in a pretty short time frame; probably when the Army had it's "oh shit" moment in regards to cleaning. I stumbled across a few threads where QUIET, and Bill Ricca both seemed to have some of the earlier sets. Seemed to be interest in all facets of retro back then... wasn't even that long ago. Funny how things change. |
| OK - I guess that is cool. But I don't really see the point. It's the crappiest stamped steel, jointed cleaning rod DOD could source produced by the lowest bidder. Given a choice I would never use one of those things on any rifle I actually paid for, although I have used them on M16s in the service. But if you think it is cool, then awesome! |
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OK - I guess that is cool. But I don't really see the point. It's the crappiest stamped steel, jointed cleaning rod DOD could source produced by the lowest bidder. Given a choice I would never use one of those things on any rifle I actually paid for, although I have used them on M16s in the service. But if you think it is cool, then awesome! Many of the members here also buy M56 or M67 LBE, uniforms, fake smoke grenades, knives etc. for a display. No dumber than buying a USGI 'steel pot' with the correct Mitchell camo. I agree with you about their lack of utility, given the much superior modern cleaning systems out there, (OTIS comes to mind, boresnakes are good kit.) but as a 'period piece' to show people along with your rifle, it makes a lot of sense. Used to be M7 bayonets and USGI cleaning kits were CHEAP.  How things have changed.
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OK - I guess that is cool. But I don't really see the point. It's the crappiest stamped steel, jointed cleaning rod DOD could source produced by the lowest bidder. Given a choice I would never use one of those things on any rifle I actually paid for, although I have used them on M16s in the service. But if you think it is cool, then awesome! Dude, this is the Retro Forum. Members here collect all sorts of trivial minutiae related to the time period their particular weapon represents, Vietnam era and up. Bipods and the various associated pouches,bayonets, LSA in the early teardrop bottles, dated cleaning kit pouches, ammo pouch variations....The list is almost endless. 57, congratulations. |
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Dude, this is the Retro Forum. Members here collect all sorts of trivial minutiae related to the time period their particular weapon represents, Vietnam era and up. Bipods and the various associated pouches,bayonets, LSA in the early teardrop bottles, dated cleaning kit pouches, ammo pouch variations....The list is almost endless. 57, congratulations. Quoted:
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OK - I guess that is cool. But I don't really see the point. It's the crappiest stamped steel, jointed cleaning rod DOD could source produced by the lowest bidder. Given a choice I would never use one of those things on any rifle I actually paid for, although I have used them on M16s in the service. But if you think it is cool, then awesome! Dude, this is the Retro Forum. Members here collect all sorts of trivial minutiae related to the time period their particular weapon represents, Vietnam era and up. Bipods and the various associated pouches,bayonets, LSA in the early teardrop bottles, dated cleaning kit pouches, ammo pouch variations....The list is almost endless. 57, congratulations. Hell, I have the blueprints for the cleaning rods. 
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Where did you find those prints Booze? That's a heck of a score. I can't imagine there being too many of those floating around.
This why I love this forum. It's always been such an awesome community. No matter how small or obscure the part, there's at least one other guy here who knows something about it. Someone always has your back here. You guys are awesome. 
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Anyone have blueprints of the single flat end take down / pivot pin detents?
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Where did you find those prints Booze? That's a heck of a score. I can't imagine there being too many of those floating around. This why I love this forum. It's always been such an awesome community. No matter how small or obscure the part, there's at least one other guy here who knows something about it. Someone always has your back here. You guys are awesome.
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Anyone have blueprints of the single flat end take down / pivot pin detents? Quoted:
Anyone have blueprints of the single flat end take down / pivot pin detents? No.  I have a set of blueprints of the lower receiver from some company I've never heard of, but I don't think it has any drawings of anything from the LPK.
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Where did you find those prints Booze? That's a heck of a score. I can't imagine there being too many of those floating around. This why I love this forum. It's always been such an awesome community. No matter how small or obscure the part, there's at least one other guy here who knows something about it. Someone always has your back here. You guys are awesome.
I got it in a lot of stuff from a guy who used to work at Springfield. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/627042_Got_some_awesome_pictures.html |
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Anyone have blueprints of the single flat end take down / pivot pin detents? Quoted:
Anyone have blueprints of the single flat end take down / pivot pin detents? Quoted:
Where did you find those prints Booze? That's a heck of a score. I can't imagine there being too many of those floating around. This why I love this forum. It's always been such an awesome community. No matter how small or obscure the part, there's at least one other guy here who knows something about it. Someone always has your back here. You guys are awesome.
i've got some if you want to mic them. |
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Dude, this is the Retro Forum. Members here collect all sorts of trivial minutiae related to the time period their particular weapon represents, Vietnam era and up. Bipods and the various associated pouches,bayonets, LSA in the early teardrop bottles, dated cleaning kit pouches, ammo pouch variations....The list is almost endless. 57, congratulations. Quoted:
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OK - I guess that is cool. But I don't really see the point. It's the crappiest stamped steel, jointed cleaning rod DOD could source produced by the lowest bidder. Given a choice I would never use one of those things on any rifle I actually paid for, although I have used them on M16s in the service. But if you think it is cool, then awesome! Dude, this is the Retro Forum. Members here collect all sorts of trivial minutiae related to the time period their particular weapon represents, Vietnam era and up. Bipods and the various associated pouches,bayonets, LSA in the early teardrop bottles, dated cleaning kit pouches, ammo pouch variations....The list is almost endless. 57, congratulations. You know, I just saw this on Active Topics and commented. I completely missed that. I see your point - if you are into collecting retro items, this is pretty cool. ETA: The blueprints are really cool. |
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OK a comment... Wow look how much of the parkerizing has been removed from the rod think of how many barrels it has ruined by being used. Remember the absolute worst thing you can do to your rifle barrel is to use a steel segmented cleaning rod !!!!!!! Nothing will create more crown damage or throat and muzzle wear. I'm sorry somone rescued that rod from the trash and sold it to you, other than nastalga it is worthless. Ive always thought the cleaning srod steel was softer than a barrel steel. Ive ran files across both types. The barrel is MUCH harder. |
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