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12/19/2007 6:51:12 AM EDT

Review
Primary Weapons Systems DNTC






„DNTC“ stands for Dave-Neth-Tactical-Compensator. Dave-Neth, who is a 2 times team world champion in 3Gun competition and an Idaho-State-Trooper, developed this comp together with AKConcepts now known as Primary Weapons Systems.  As I got this Comp the company was still named AKConcepts and there main subject was the tuning for AK-Rifles.
Somehow every thing went wrong with my AR15. First I had to wait 16 month till I got it. And as I got it, I had to find out that it was shooting offline. So it took a while to get things done.






As I went for an AR15 I was sure that I want a comp for it. What I was looking for was a device that will tam the muzzle raise, be not to noisy and looks as much Military as possible. Also the recoil, speaking of the push backward, did not bother me. Since all my shooting with it is IPSC I had no concern about muzzle flash at all. I have some mates with good comp´s around here but either there were way to loud or they looked to “sporty” for my taste. So I scanned the marked, asked stupid questions in Gun-Forums and after all I selected the DNTC.

The DNCT came with a Crush Washer but somehow I needed a Peel Washer to make it fit to my Sabre Defense. The installation was very easy. Since I have mounted the Comp I have shot about 2200 rounds trough it. Most of it was AE 55gr.





I have to say that this comp absolutely accomplished my expectations.
At least to me it looks more Military-like as most other comps on the marked.
Another thing I wanted was less muzzle rise. When shooting at an IPSC-Classic-Target at 25meters the dot of my Aimpoint will stay inside the A/C-zone. With the A2 –brake mounted I needed about .79sec for the next follow up sure A-Zone hit. The DNTC made me cut that down to .45sec. Shooting at 50meters the A2 made it impossible for me to keep the dot on the entire target and the whole movement of the rifle cost me almost 2sec. to get the dot back on “A”.  With the Tactical-Comp I could keep the dot on the target and follow up “A´s” were much faster and close to one second. Well I am not a super-shot but it helped me a lot to improve my times/hits. But I could feel no difference in the recoil itself. But maybe that´s just me.





The sound. Yes it is louder then an A2 brake and I can not recommend to shot the DNTC without ear-protection. I would not recommend shooting any unsuppressed firearm without E+E-pro but I read in some forums that some people shot there AR on the range without them. A mate has a JT-BCTC on his AR and it is WAY louder then the DNTC.

The Blast. Yes there is a blast. And yes there is more blast as with an A2-Brake. You feel it when you fire an AR15 with this comp. But it is not as disturbing as other comps were you feel it in your teeth and inside your head. The Shooter´s left and right from you in a firing line will also notice the blast. But also for them it is not disturbing. Shooting prone is no issue. But if you shoot it prone holding the rifle sideways you will eat dust. Since the blast is directed to the rare and up this is normal.






I told you that I don’t care about muzzle-flash. But since I know that some of you do I took it out to the range at dawn. As I shot it with the AE at daylight I could see no or sometimes just a very little flash. In the dark you see a flash. With the Ammo I shot it, the flash had about the size of a small, closed fist around the muzzle. Fore those who don’t want the flash P.W.S. has a FSC556 comp at the ready which will work like the DNTC but was build hide’s the flash.





When I ever make it and get me an HKG3-type rifle I will for sure get me a .308 comp from P.W.S. for it.
Not just the product from P.W.S. impressed me but also the very nice contact I had with Todd. He never got tired of answering my questions.


I hope my review is useful.


12/19/2007 9:05:53 AM EDT
[#1]
nice write up.....

I have been running the FSC for a little while, although it has a flash hider in the front, it is still a brake at the base of the design so the flash hider functionisn't as effective as said a vortex or even a standard A2.  that being said, compare the FSC to the DNTC, the FSC is a much more effective flash suppression device with the added ability of a muzzle brake. this brake are very capable, the follow up shot are easily accomplished with almost no muzzle rise. my platofrm is a LMT MRP CQB with 14.5inch barrel and a 9mm buffer.

the brake itself are still loud and it still distrub the shooter next to you, but it is not as bad as the DNTC.  as for night fighting, this will still give away your position, but a GemTech Halo can fit over this FSC.

I will be running the FSC for a while until my PWS piston upp is ready then I will run the FSC with the piston upper to find the most flat shooting system available.
12/19/2007 9:17:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Thanks Deutch-cop.  I've been thinking about one of those.  Usefull info.
12/19/2007 7:08:37 PM EDT
[#3]
Nice writeup brother.  I don't think I'd be able to the same in German...  
12/22/2007 8:48:30 AM EDT
[#4]
Thank you for the kind word´s.

I would like to hear from the folks who have used the FSC556 or one of there .308 comps.

Thanks.
12/22/2007 9:30:19 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Thank you for the kind word´s.

I would like to hear from the folks who have used the FSC556 or one of there .308 comps.

Thanks.


I use the DNTC308 on my 6.8SPC and it is very nice and quieter than the MSTN/PRI and has less side blast.  It does produce some flash, but not as bad as the PRI.  I'm waiting on the FSC30 to come in so I can tr it out.
12/22/2007 11:52:22 AM EDT
[#6]

excellent writeup.  i have a DNTC on the end of a Noveske Afghan, and on the basis of about 500rnds i really like this compensator.

ar-jedi







12/24/2007 4:25:57 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Thank you for the kind word´s.

I would like to hear from the folks who have used the FSC556 or one of there .308 comps.

Thanks.


I use the DNTC308 on my 6.8SPC and it is very nice and quieter than the MSTN/PRI and has less side blast.  It does produce some flash, but not as bad as the PRI.  I'm waiting on the FSC30 to come in so I can tr it out.


So far as I know is the FSC30 allready out.
At least they have it on there homepage.
12/24/2007 4:48:41 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Thank you for the kind word´s.

I would like to hear from the folks who have used the FSC556 or one of there .308 comps.

Thanks.


I use the DNTC308 on my 6.8SPC and it is very nice and quieter than the MSTN/PRI and has less side blast.  It does produce some flash, but not as bad as the PRI.  I'm waiting on the FSC30 to come in so I can tr it out.


So far as I know is the FSC30 allready out.
At least they have it on there homepage.


Mine was shipped out already, but I didn't get mine yet because of the Holiday delays.
12/27/2007 7:39:34 AM EDT
[#9]


Mine was shipped out already, but I didn't get mine yet because of the Holiday delays.

OK. But please let me know how it works out for you on your .308.
1/1/2008 8:32:40 AM EDT
[#10]
the 6.8 FSC is out i have one on my desk, i am actually going to try the .308 brake on my Savage bolt gun next weekend.    
2/27/2008 4:07:35 PM EDT
[#11]
Does the "AK Concepts" stamping go on the top or the bottom?


Just wondering
2/27/2008 5:27:09 PM EDT
[#12]
top
2/27/2008 5:40:22 PM EDT
[#13]
I have a DNTC308 on my HK...it really makes it a joy to shoot...just do not stand to the side of me, and the HK is actually more fun to shoot now that Barnaul 308 is almost as cheap as 223...
2/27/2008 7:12:31 PM EDT
[#14]
Just put a FSC556 on my SPR built can't wait to try it, awesome review i also agree that some
of the other comps look way overdone.
2/27/2008 7:15:17 PM EDT
[#15]
Did anyone else notice the length of the Pmag on the second pic, is it a custom? I must know!
2/29/2008 5:03:59 PM EDT
[#16]
bump for review and pmag.
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