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Posted: 1/28/2012 1:26:31 PM EDT
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I have a new lower I got stipped and the transfer papers did not list it as a pistol or rifle and I asked the FFL if I could build a pistol or a rifle and he said 'sure'. Now this is were I have gotten so many answers I don't know what to believe any more. the way I understand it is: If I DO NOT put a stock, adjustable or fixed, on the lower then I can put a short barrel on it, BUT if I put on a stock fixed or adjustable my barrel has to be 16" or longer. Then there is some rule about sort barrel with a pistol stock can NOT have a vertical front grip... and on some sites selling shorter then 16" uppers make no mention of NFA laws. Hoping to get this cleared up. Building a 11.5" even without a stock sounds like fun (Loud, but fun).
Thanks for any help! last thing I need it trouble with the LEOs. |
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You're on the money with your own answers. Any barrel with a "stock" just has to have a pinned/welded muzzle device to bring it to 16".
14.5" + 1.5" = 16.... 12.5"+ 3.5" = 16", etc. Actually a little longer than 1.5", taking into account for the threads. Without a tax stamp your 11.5" and a pistol buffer tube is legal. (no VFG) Add a stock = add a stamp. That VFG turns a pistol, (one hand grip) into a rifle, (two hand grip), which is now an evil sbr. 
Now on the Magpul Angled Fore Grip, someone else will have to chime in on the legality of that one. |
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i am local and your g2g with the stripped lower being a pistol. as far as the vfg its a no-go but the magpul afg is good unless things have changed recently. anything under 16 has to be pistol but over can have a stock. something to watch for is the overall length of the pistol you are making when it hits a certain length it is considered a firearm and not a pistol or a rifle. ill try and find the link
here it is anything over 26 in and not concealed on your person can have a vfg. per the date on the letter if things have not changed http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf |
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It's not the stock alone that determines if it can be built into a pistol, it a stock and a barrel. Any lower that has never been barreled as a rifle can be built into a pistol. What this means is that at some time the lower had to have both a stock and a barrel on it at the same time to disqualify it as a potential pistol lower. A lower with a stock and a barrel 16" or greater is a legal rifle. This is a title 1 firearm. A lower with a stock and a barrel less then 16" is a SBR (short barreled rifle) and is only legal with an approved form 1 or from 4 in hand, provided it is legal in your state. This is a title 2 firearm. A lower built as a pistol can have any length barrel you want provided it meets your state definition of a pistol. Michigan as an example says a pistol is under 30" overall. Tennessee says a pistol is a 12" or shorter barrel. Check your state law to determine the status of your build. This is a title 1 firearm. A pistol with a Over All Length of less then 26" can have a magpul AFG (angled fore grip) or a hand stop but not a VFG (vertical fore grip). This is a title 1 firearm. A pistol with a OAL of less then 26" with a VFG is a AOW (any other weapon) and is legal only with an approved form 1 or 4 in hand. This again depending on your state law. This is a title 2 firearm. A pistol with a OAL of 26" or greater may have a VFG, however when the VFG it installed it is no longer a classified a pistol. This is a title 1 firearm. A pistol with a OAL of 26" or greater with a VFG has no official sub classification (pistol, rifle,...) and is simply a title 1 firearm, provided it is not concealed. If it is actually concealed on your person it can be classified as a AOW. A pistol may be converted to any other title 1 firearm and returned back to it's original pistol configuration anytime. Hope that helps. ETA: Title 1 firearm = Non NFA firearm, i.e. normal everyday, buy it from a store type gun. Title 2 firearm = NFA firearm, i.e. SBR, SBS, AOW, DD, machinegun. Must have form 1 (build) or form 4 (transfer) approved and pay your tax! No form1 for machineguns. Private citizens, non FFL 03 types, can no longer build new machineguns  |
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You shold check ot the SBR forum, here's the faq
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_51/199905_SBR_FAQ.html |
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It's not the stock alone that determines if it can be built into a pistol, it a stock and a barrel. Any lower that has never been barreled as a rifle can be built into a pistol. What this means is that at some time the lower had to have both a stock and a barrel on it at the same time to disqualify it as a potential pistol lower. A lower with a stock and a barrel 16" or greater is a legal rifle. This is a title 1 firearm. A lower with a stock and a barrel less then 16" is a SBR (short barreled rifle) and is only legal with an approved form 1 or from 4 in hand, provided it is legal in your state. This is a title 2 firearm. A lower built as a pistol can have any length barrel you want provided it meets your state definition of a pistol. Michigan as an example says a pistol is under 30" overall. Tennessee says a pistol is a 12" or shorter barrel. Check your state law to determine the status of your build. This is a title 1 firearm. A pistol with a Over All Length of less then 26" can have a magpul AFG (angled fore grip) or a hand stop but not a VFG (vertical fore grip). This is a title 1 firearm. A pistol with a OAL of less then 26" with a VFG is a AOW (any other weapon) and is legal only with an approved form 1 or 4 in hand. This again depending on your state law. This is a title 2 firearm. A pistol with a OAL of 26" or greater may have a VFG, however when the VFG it installed it is no longer a classified a pistol. This is a title 1 firearm. A pistol with a OAL of 26" or greater with a VFG has no official sub classification (pistol, rifle,...) and is simply a title 1 firearm, provided it is not concealed. If it is actually concealed on your person it can be classified as a AOW. A pistol may be converted to any other title 1 firearm and returned back to it's original pistol configuration anytime. Hope that helps. ETA: Title 1 firearm = Non NFA firearm, i.e. normal everyday, buy it from a store type gun. Title 2 firearm = NFA firearm, i.e. SBR, SBS, AOW, DD, machinegun. Must have form 1 (build) or form 4 (transfer) approved and pay your tax! No form1 for machineguns. Private citizens, non FFL 03 types, can no longer build new machineguns
 This is by far the BEST explanation of this I've ever heard.....Thanks 556!
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