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Posted: 9/10/2009 1:46:35 PM EDT
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Picked up a NIB Ruger yesterday from Cabelas here in PA. Took it down back about 30 minutes ago to dial in the Eotech I put on it, put 50 rounds of Olympic through it. On the last round, bolt locked to the rear, so I dropped the mag and hit the bolt release to put the rifle away, bolt traveled less than 1/2 way forward and stopped. Upon closer inspection, one of the pins in the lower, part of the FCG, has walked on and is not aligned so I can't put it back in. Off to Cabelas to see if they are going to replace the rifle or more than likely, send it back to Ruger.
Not a very auspicious beginning to a rifle that has already been known to have some bolt tilt issues. I'm sure Ruger will make it right, but at $1500 I shouldn't be having to have something "made right".  I'll post the results of the Cabelas visit this evening.
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| The larger of the pins in the lower, not sure if it's trigger or hammer or what. I can't break the rifle open since the bolt won't go forward. The pin appears to have cocked when it walked out, it's sticking out of the right side of the rifle looking from stock to muzzle. I tried tapping it back in using the handle of a large screw driver but that didn't work and I've no desire to mark up a brand new rifle using a punch on it. For the money I paid I'll take it back and have it replaced or shipped off for repair and I'll get it back when I come back from the sandbox in April. |
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That's a bummer.
Somebody posted about this same thing happening about a week ago with a DI rifle. Can't recall the brand at the moment. The leg of the spring had not seated in the groove when assembled to keep the pin from moving. They were able to fix the problem. Is this the same problem you are refering to? Either way, that sucks. Always a hassle to deal with that stuff. Hope you get it figured out. |
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It's been reported on a couple boards that some of the very early guns had defective J springs in the hammer. This allowed the hammer pin to walk out of the lower. Once the pin's out enough to offset the hammer and trigger, the hammer will not stay back and hangs up on the unshrouded bolt carrier.
Ruger and/or Cabela's will no doubt take care of you. Let us know how it all works out. |
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It's been reported on a couple boards that some of the very early guns had defective J springs in the hammer. This allowed the hammer pin to walk out of the lower. Once the pin's out enough to offset the hammer and trigger, the hammer will not stay back and hangs up on the unshrouded bolt carrier. Ruger and/or Cabela's will no doubt take care of you. Let us know how it all works out. Ah, I see now. Thanks for the info, never heard that till now. |
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Ruger is a great company and certainly stand behind their product. While this is an unfortunate incident it sounds like pretty typical teething problems for a company venturing into the AR market for the first time. And a piston gun to boot. I wouldn't let this spoil the ownership of such a weapons just yet. I'm still interested in this rifle. Seems like KNS pins would be in order.
SInce there are going to be members of this site who will undoubtedly own this weapon maybe an "unofficial Ruger Sr556" thread would be in order. Reports could be made on all the aspects of the new rifle from the owners perspective whether good, bad, indifferent or informative. |
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Someone posted a video a while back,showing how Colt built and tested their Military M4s. IMHO everyone who buys a AR should feel that their rifle was built and tested to a very high standard. Maybe it's asking too much for them to do the same tough process that the Military demands, but just maybe someone who buys a new AR will quickly really need it to defend his or hers life.
Having this new Ruger 556 quickly fail in this mans hand this way, does not give me a good feeling. 
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The rifle was out of battery, bolt was caught half way in between locked in battery and locked to the rear. When the bolt is not fully in battery you can't break the AR open, it is half in the buffer tube and half in the upper receiver.
The trigger pin was indeed the culprit, one of the more knowledgeable salesmen at Cabela's was able to get it back in using a teflon hammer. They did swap it out for a new rifle that I won't get to fire for about a week and a half but hopefully I won't have any trouble with it. I definitely have no complaints about the service. On another note, I was able to take a look at the buffer tube of the defective rifle and there were no signs at all of any bolt tilt marks in it. Granted it was only 50 rounds but I'd have expected to see some marks at least. |
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A FCG pin walking is not the end of the world. It's also not something that should happen on a $1500 rifle with only 50 rounds through it, however if you think it is, feel free to throw your money away on out of box defective products. Personally I'll contact the seller and/or manufacturer and ask them to make it right which is what I did, and I got a replacement rifle for my troubles. I'm satisfied. |
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Take photos before sending it back!!!! It's already back, I took it to Cabela's this evening after dinner and they replaced it. If I'd wanted a different rifle Robert I'd have bought a different one, or gotten a different one when I went back, I wanted a Ruger and I now have another new one thanks to Cabelas. The first one was defective, with according to you, a problem that wasn't the end of the world. I'm relatively certain I didn't post anywhere that I was crushed or heartbroken or even more than mildly disappointed. You insinuated that I should be satisfied with a defective product, and as I said, maybe you would be but not me. I got it taken care of, seems to me like that should be the end of the discussion. |
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Does anyone read the entire thread before posting anymore? I have a new rifle. I don't care if it would have been a 10 second fix, I paid $1500 for a FUNCTIONING rifle and I didn't get one, so I took it back and got a new one. And now you dont know if you have a functioning rifle because you threw the baby out with the bath water. Seriously, everything was fine except for a walking hammer pin, which you could fix yourself, and instead you are starting over? It sounds like this is your first AR pattern rifle which is unlikely considering this is AR15.com and you have over 1,000 posts. |
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Does anyone read the entire thread before posting anymore? I have a new rifle. I don't care if it would have been a 10 second fix, I paid $1500 for a FUNCTIONING rifle and I didn't get one, so I took it back and got a new one. And now you dont know if you have a functioning rifle because you threw the baby out with the bath water. Seriously, everything was fine except for a walking hammer pin, which you could fix yourself, and instead you are starting over? It sounds like this is your first AR pattern rifle which is unlikely considering this is AR15.com and you have over 1,000 posts. No, now I have a brand new rifle that, if it has the same problem, will be replaced with yet another until Cabelas gets me one that works properly. You're right in that it's not my first AR pattern rifle, probably won't be my last either, although I don't build them myself, I buy them. Some people build rifles, others build cars, and still others like jigsaw puzzles........me personally, I like shooting, not building. I get enough practice working with small screws, solder joints, and other micro sized bullshit at work, I don't need it for a hobby. The funny thing is, none of my other AR pattern rifles, DPMS, COLT, CMMG, BUSHMASTER, STAG etc have ever fallen apart at 50 rounds, but if they had they'd have gone right back to the dealer as well. I wouldn't keep a new car that had a spark plug blow out (Think Ford F-150 with the 5.4) 4 minutes after I drive it off the lot, and I am not going to keep a rifle that has a trigger pin walk out the first time I shoot it either. Now if all of you internet gunsmith wannabes are fine with laying out your money and accepting less than 100% functionality that's fine, you're entitled to it since it's your money, just don't include me in that category. |
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Does anyone read the entire thread before posting anymore? I have a new rifle. I don't care if it would have been a 10 second fix, I paid $1500 for a FUNCTIONING rifle and I didn't get one, so I took it back and got a new one. And now you dont know if you have a functioning rifle because you threw the baby out with the bath water. Seriously, everything was fine except for a walking hammer pin, which you could fix yourself, and instead you are starting over? It sounds like this is your first AR pattern rifle which is unlikely considering this is AR15.com and you have over 1,000 posts. If i spent $1500 and the rifle malfuntioned it would go back ! it may have other issues ! |
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Welcome to Ruger ownership. Prepare yourself for the deluge. The most surprising thing in this thread is that nobody has mentioned a factory recall. I wouldn't say recall all Rugers for a trigger pin walking out. It's not that big of a deal.  He should learn how to fix it just in case he gets a blown primer that falls down into the lower and he has to take the trigger group out to get it out.
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Welcome to Ruger ownership. Prepare yourself for the deluge. The most surprising thing in this thread is that nobody has mentioned a factory recall. I wouldn't say recall all Rugers for a trigger pin walking out. It's not that big of a deal. He should learn how to fix it just in case he gets a blown primer that falls down into the lower and he has to take the trigger group out to get it out.Whether I bother to learn to build an AR or not is secondary to the fact that I wouldn't bother fixing a BRAND NEW RIFLE, I just don't understand why that's so hard for some of you keyboard commandos to comprehend. |
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Welcome to Ruger ownership. Prepare yourself for the deluge. The most surprising thing in this thread is that nobody has mentioned a factory recall. Yeah I followed the threads of yours and LX200 for a few weeks before I decided to pick one up, I've seen how most of the monkeys on here play. Been on here going on 6 years now, I've seen them come and go. I figure when they start helping me earn my money, clean my house, cook my dinner or blow me occasionally then I'll listen to them when they try to tell me what I can spend my money on, until then I mostly ignore them. 
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Who's asshurt Bobby? I have a new rifle, I'm satisfied. The only people that seem to be getting irritated are the ones that think I should have just accepted the defective rifle and fixed it myself rather than requiring the selling party to honor their obligation to sell a new product that is free from defect as advertised. I guess I'm a little confused, I mean is posting about requiring that to happen considered asshurt? Personally I'd think someone willing to take a boning like that from a dealer would have more experience in the whole sore ass thing. 
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OP: Just for the helluvit, I went back and re-read your original post. I repeat it for the benefit of those who did not read it:
Picked up a NIB Ruger yesterday from Cabelas here in PA. Took it down back about 30 minutes ago to dial in the Eotech I put on it, put 50 rounds of Olympic through it. On the last round, bolt locked to the rear, so I dropped the mag and hit the bolt release to put the rifle away, bolt traveled less than 1/2 way forward and stopped. Upon closer inspection, one of the pins in the lower, part of the FCG, has walked on and is not aligned so I can't put it back in. Off to Cabelas to see if they are going to replace the rifle or more than likely, send it back to Ruger.
Not a very auspicious beginning to a rifle that has already been known to have some bolt tilt issues. I'm sure Ruger will make it right, but at $1500 I shouldn't be having to have something "made right". I'll post the results of the Cabelas visit this evening. I don't see how you're "asshurt" or "complaining about" anything in particular, or expecting too much. Hell's bells, I think I'd be askig for a new rifle, too! I know how to put those pins back in, but dammit, they shouldn't be walking out on a new gun anyway. And even if you did put the pin back in, you'd have to expect it to walk out again if it's that loose or out-of-spec or whatever. I think your only mistake was in telling these guys something happened to your rifle ... oh, and that it is a Ruger.
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Welcome to Ruger ownership. Prepare yourself for the deluge. The most surprising thing in this thread is that nobody has mentioned a factory recall. Yeah I followed the threads of yours and LX200 for a few weeks before I decided to pick one up, I've seen how most of the monkeys on here play. Been on here going on 6 years now, I've seen them come and go. I figure when they start helping me earn my money, clean my house, cook my dinner or blow me occasionally then I'll listen to them when they try to tell me what I can spend my money on, until then I mostly ignore them. Hell yeah, new gun taken back and replaced story over ! |
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1179 post here and you cannot troubleshoot an AR?
I have a colt HBAR elite that has had this happen. No big deal get a KNS pin set and problem solved. its only 30 bux and you wont have a range trip cut short or interupted cause a pin walked a bit. The reason the bolt goes 1/2 way forward and stops is because the FP is unshrouded and the hammer has a notch catching this. 
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1179 post here and you cannot troubleshoot an AR? I have a colt HBAR elite that has had this happen. No big deal get a KNS pin set and problem solved. its only 30 bux and you wont have a range trip cut short or interupted cause a pin walked a bit. The reason the bolt goes 1/2 way forward and stops is because the FP is unshrouded and the hammer has a notch catching this. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSCN0870.JPG Hey, kells81! How's your Ruger holding up? Looks okay from these pics. Are these fairly recent? |
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1179 post here and you cannot troubleshoot an AR? I have a colt HBAR elite that has had this happen. No big deal get a KNS pin set and problem solved. its only 30 bux and you wont have a range trip cut short or interupted cause a pin walked a bit. The reason the bolt goes 1/2 way forward and stops is because the FP is unshrouded and the hammer has a notch catching this. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSCN0870.JPG Hey, kells81! How's your Ruger holding up? Looks okay from these pics. Are these fairly recent? Its still at 1500 rounds, I hope to make it back home the 1st of Oct. It was left uncleaned from last time gonna try to run another 1k through it this trip home. |
| Hey Republic, I too bought an SR 556. took mine to the range after 6 rounds the bolt wouldn't go all the way back or forward. Kept jamming bullets. found out the two pins that hold the trigger assembly came out and everything just fell apart. If you ask me Quality control sort of sucked in that area. Well I put the assembly back together and made sure that the springs were clicked into the groove in the pins. Shot 250 rounds after that Remingtong Soft core and Hornady had not problems, pins still intact. Guess on the assembly line son one was asleep? |
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Welcome to Ruger ownership. Prepare yourself for the deluge. The most surprising thing in this thread is that nobody has mentioned a factory recall. Yeah I followed the threads of yours and LX200 for a few weeks before I decided to pick one up, I've seen how most of the monkeys on here play. Been on here going on 6 years now, I've seen them come and go. I figure when they start helping me earn my money, clean my house, cook my dinner or blow me occasionally then I'll listen to them when they try to tell me what I can spend my money on, until then I mostly ignore them. This +1 |
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