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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:19:17 AM EDT
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Has anyone evaluated the STRAC Mag Well Grip ?? Comparison to other Mag Well Grips like FAM MG-20.
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The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5.  there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference. |
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The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference. 
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The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference. To a certain extent. I'd consider using a vfg on the side of the rail to be improper. 
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The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference. To a certain extent. I'd consider using a vfg on the side of the rail to be improper. Not when using a PEQ with helmet mounted NOD from the hip.
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Feel free to keep improperly telling yourself that. Quoted: Quoted: there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference.The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. |
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Feel free to keep improperly telling yourself that.
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there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference.The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. well if you consider the 90* VFG hold then yah....that would be improper, but just because you saw some magpul film doesnt mean its the only way to hold the gun, face it, it comes down to user preference, i put my VFG as close to the mag well as possible, doesnt make me wrong, i find the magpul grip horribly uncomfortable and i get fatigued much faster that way |
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I've never watched a Magpul film but you have just as much right to be wrong as the next person. Quoted: Quoted: well if you consider the 90* VFG hold then yah....that would be improper, but just because you saw some magpul film doesnt mean its the only way to hold the gun, face it, it comes down to user preference, i put my VFG as close to the mag well as possible, doesnt make me wrong, i find the magpul grip horribly uncomfortable and i get fatigued much faster that wayFeel free to keep improperly telling yourself that. Quoted: Quoted: there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference.The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. |
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I've never watched a Magpul film but you have just as much right to be wrong as the next person.
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well if you consider the 90* VFG hold then yah....that would be improper, but just because you saw some magpul film doesnt mean its the only way to hold the gun, face it, it comes down to user preference, i put my VFG as close to the mag well as possible, doesnt make me wrong, i find the magpul grip horribly uncomfortable and i get fatigued much faster that wayFeel free to keep improperly telling yourself that.
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there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference.The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. that makes no sense, its kinda hard to be wrong with an answer like its all preference? please share your wonderful insight as to why im wrong and as to what is the correct way to hold an ar-15 |
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The further out you grip the gun, the greater the mechanical advantage you have. Archemedes figured this out millenia ago. Very simple physics. i agree, but its also subjective. since everyone is built different one persons comfort zone will not be another. i can grip my 20" out to the front of the rail, doesnt mean i do. its uncomfortable as hell and ill sacrifice a small .5 second diff in shooting if it offers me 20-30 minutes more comfort shooting |
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It all comes down to application. A couch-rest shooter strives for comfort, takes one shot every two minutes, and spends $5 per round for ultimate mechanical accuracy. A Suburban-Operator strives for control, takes 10 shots every two seconds, and spends $5 for a day of shooting milsurp at 7 yards where mechanical accuracy has very little place.
EDIT: Almost forgot to throw in my $.02 From my perspective, having seen more than a handful of K-B's due to various factors, and what happens to the mag well in these instances, you would never catch me holding the mag well. |
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The further out you grip the gun, the greater the mechanical advantage you have. Archemedes figured this out millenia ago. Very simple physics. i agree, but its also subjective. since everyone is built different one persons comfort zone will not be another. i can grip my 20" out to the front of the rail, doesnt mean i do. its uncomfortable as hell and ill sacrifice a small .5 second diff in shooting if it offers me 20-30 minutes more comfort shooting +1 |
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It all comes down to application. A couch-rest shooter strives for comfort, takes one shot every two minutes, and spends $5 per round for ultimate mechanical accuracy. A Suburban-Operator strives for control, takes 10 shots every two seconds, and spends $5 for a day of shooting milsurp at 7 yards where mechanical accuracy has very little place. EDIT: Almost forgot to throw in my $.02 From my perspective, having seen more than a handful of K-B's due to various factors, and what happens to the mag well in these instances, you would never catch me holding the mag well. I rarely use a rest and use the cheapest ammo possible, i practice like id fight and with that i still use my VFG as a handstop at the very closest to the magwell |
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Feel free to keep improperly telling yourself that.
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The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference. Then you've obviously never attended an Advanced Urban Combat Course. Magwell grip is taught quite often in CQB courses. |
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Feel free to keep improperly telling yourself that.
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The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference. Then you've obviously never attended an Advanced Urban Combat Course. Magwell grip is taught quite often in CQB courses. I have been thru CQB courses and the Magwell Grip was not taught. The impression is get is the Magwell Grip is like SPORTS, old TTP. |
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It all comes down to application. A couch-rest shooter strives for comfort, takes one shot every two minutes, and spends $5 per round for ultimate mechanical accuracy. A Suburban-Operator strives for control, takes 10 shots every two seconds, and spends $5 for a day of shooting milsurp at 7 yards where mechanical accuracy has very little place. EDIT: Almost forgot to throw in my $.02 From my perspective, having seen more than a handful of K-B's due to various factors, and what happens to the mag well in these instances, you would never catch me holding the mag well. I rarely use a rest and use the cheapest ammo possible, i practice like id fight and with that i still use my VFG as a handstop at the very closest to the magwell Which is not a mag-well grip. Nor was my post intended as a dig. To each their own, as far as grips go. Comfort=consistency, and consistency=accuracy, after all. |
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Quoted: Quoted: that makes no sense, its kinda hard to be wrong with an answer like its all preference? please share your wonderful insight as to why im wrong and as to what is the correct way to hold an ar-15I've never watched a Magpul film but you have just as much right to be wrong as the next person. Quoted: Quoted: well if you consider the 90* VFG hold then yah....that would be improper, but just because you saw some magpul film doesnt mean its the only way to hold the gun, face it, it comes down to user preference, i put my VFG as close to the mag well as possible, doesnt make me wrong, i find the magpul grip horribly uncomfortable and i get fatigued much faster that wayFeel free to keep improperly telling yourself that. Quoted: Quoted: there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference.The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5.  |
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Quoted: Feel free to keep improperly telling yourself that. Then you've obviously never attended an Advanced Urban Combat Course. Magwell grip is taught quite often in CQB courses.Quoted: Quoted: there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference.The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5. And I, obviously, never will. |
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that makes no sense, its kinda hard to be wrong with an answer like its all preference? please share your wonderful insight as to why im wrong and as to what is the correct way to hold an ar-15I've never watched a Magpul film but you have just as much right to be wrong as the next person.
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well if you consider the 90* VFG hold then yah....that would be improper, but just because you saw some magpul film doesnt mean its the only way to hold the gun, face it, it comes down to user preference, i put my VFG as close to the mag well as possible, doesnt make me wrong, i find the magpul grip horribly uncomfortable and i get fatigued much faster that wayFeel free to keep improperly telling yourself that.
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there is no such thing as improper grip, its all subjective based on user preference.The ONLY use I could see for any mag well grip might be if you are shooting off a bench with your front end resting on a bag, etc. Otherwise you are using an improper grip to shoot your rifle. An AR/M16 is not an MP5.
Why dont you contribute to the discussion at hand by telling us what the proper way is instead of trolling the thread with smileys |
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Quoted: And from another site:The further out you grip the gun, the greater the mechanical advantage you have. Archemedes figured this out millenia ago. Very simple physics. Good shooters will shoot better with a fuller extension of the support arm. There are many more considerations that go into perfecting support hand grip than what makes the difference between a good shooter and a great shooter. Wearing armor, stock length, rail attachments, optics, etc will all influence how the gun balances and performs. That being said, a high grip (with or without VFG), extended to the proper position with the proper amount of rearward pressure will result in better shooting and more solid target to target transitions. Frankly, to truly understand these aspects you will need to find a good trainer and learn. You all have a nice day.  |
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The further out you grip the gun, the greater the mechanical advantage you have. Archemedes figured this out millenia ago. Very simple physics. Good shooters will shoot better with a fuller extension of the support arm.
There are many more considerations that go into perfecting support hand grip than what makes the difference between a good shooter and a great shooter. Wearing armor, stock length, rail attachments, optics, etc will all influence how the gun balances and performs. That being said, a high grip (with or without VFG), extended to the proper position with the proper amount of rearward pressure will result in better shooting and more solid target to target transitions. Frankly, to truly understand these aspects you will need to find a good trainer and learn. You all have a nice day.
People can believe what they wish to about "proper holds". I am with Sinless 100%. Sure, theoretically the far hold is better for certain situations. That doesn't mean every other hold is wrong. Some people have been shooting certain ways for years and are more comfortable in different positions. What works on paper may not work for some. What works for someone in practice may not work for everyone. Everybody is different. A person shooting comfortable regardless of which hold will shoot better than someone that's not comfortable. That's the bottom line. I know how we all love analogies here on arfcom so here goes.... I used to play a lot of pool. Some people used a standard bridge and some people played with an open bridge. Personally I played with both depending on the situation. I might use one hold or another depending on how comfortable I could get in said hold to take my shot. Same thing goes for AR's. I have used the far-out "Magpul type" grip before with much success. It especially helps me with target transition times and better recoil control. But on further out more precise type shots I do much better with a more traditional rifleman type stance. I might grab the magwell, I might not. It depends. And that doesn't make me or anyone else wrong. It is 100% user preference. Actually you are the one that is doing it wrong. You are letting someone else tell you the best way for YOU to shoot. Perhaps you need to try all of the options in all circumstances to see what exactly works best for YOU. |
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Quoted: Actually, you are confused but thanks for being concerned. The point of quoting them is that I believe the same as they do. No one (including you) are "telling me" anything. After all, I first shot an M16 in 1968 so I'm sure I can figure it all out. Quoted: ...Actually you are the one that is doing it wrong. You are letting someone else tell you the best way for YOU to shoot. Perhaps you need to try all of the options in all circumstances to see what exactly works best for YOU.Quoted: And from another site:The further out you grip the gun, the greater the mechanical advantage you have. Archemedes figured this out millenia ago. Very simple physics. Good shooters will shoot better with a fuller extension of the support arm. You all have a nice day. There are many more considerations that go into perfecting support hand grip than what makes the difference between a good shooter and a great shooter. Wearing armor, stock length, rail attachments, optics, etc will all influence how the gun balances and performs. That being said, a high grip (with or without VFG), extended to the proper position with the proper amount of rearward pressure will result in better shooting and more solid target to target transitions. Frankly, to truly understand these aspects you will need to find a good trainer and learn.  |
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Actually, you are confused but thanks for being concerned. The point of quoting them is that I believe the same as they do. No one (including you) are "telling me" anything. After all, I first shot an M16 in 1968 so I'm sure I can figure it all out. Quoted:
...Actually you are the one that is doing it wrong. You are letting someone else tell you the best way for YOU to shoot. Perhaps you need to try all of the options in all circumstances to see what exactly works best for YOU.Quoted:
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The further out you grip the gun, the greater the mechanical advantage you have. Archemedes figured this out millenia ago. Very simple physics. Good shooters will shoot better with a fuller extension of the support arm. You all have a nice day. There are many more considerations that go into perfecting support hand grip than what makes the difference between a good shooter and a great shooter. Wearing armor, stock length, rail attachments, optics, etc will all influence how the gun balances and performs. That being said, a high grip (with or without VFG), extended to the proper position with the proper amount of rearward pressure will result in better shooting and more solid target to target transitions. Frankly, to truly understand these aspects you will need to find a good trainer and learn.
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Actually, you are confused but thanks for being concerned. The point of quoting them is that I believe the same as they do. No one (including you) are "telling me" anything. After all, I first shot an M16 in 1968 so I'm sure I can figure it all out. Quoted:
...Actually you are the one that is doing it wrong. You are letting someone else tell you the best way for YOU to shoot. Perhaps you need to try all of the options in all circumstances to see what exactly works best for YOU.Quoted:
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The further out you grip the gun, the greater the mechanical advantage you have. Archemedes figured this out millenia ago. Very simple physics. Good shooters will shoot better with a fuller extension of the support arm. You all have a nice day. There are many more considerations that go into perfecting support hand grip than what makes the difference between a good shooter and a great shooter. Wearing armor, stock length, rail attachments, optics, etc will all influence how the gun balances and performs. That being said, a high grip (with or without VFG), extended to the proper position with the proper amount of rearward pressure will result in better shooting and more solid target to target transitions. Frankly, to truly understand these aspects you will need to find a good trainer and learn.
No sir, you are incorrect. I am not concerned in the least bit about the way you shoot. Just because you have been shooting a certain way that works for you since the dawn of time doesn't mean your way is the best for everyone. That was my point. You people that throw dates out there make me laugh. Sounds like my grandaddy. I ain't trying to change the world nor the way you prefer to shoot. Sinless is correct, it is preference and that is my point. |
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Actually, you are confused but thanks for being concerned. The point of quoting them is that I believe the same as they do. No one (including you) are "telling me" anything. After all, I first shot an M16 in 1968 so I'm sure I can figure it all out. Quoted:
...Actually you are the one that is doing it wrong. You are letting someone else tell you the best way for YOU to shoot. Perhaps you need to try all of the options in all circumstances to see what exactly works best for YOU.Quoted:
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The further out you grip the gun, the greater the mechanical advantage you have. Archemedes figured this out millenia ago. Very simple physics. Good shooters will shoot better with a fuller extension of the support arm. You all have a nice day. There are many more considerations that go into perfecting support hand grip than what makes the difference between a good shooter and a great shooter. Wearing armor, stock length, rail attachments, optics, etc will all influence how the gun balances and performs. That being said, a high grip (with or without VFG), extended to the proper position with the proper amount of rearward pressure will result in better shooting and more solid target to target transitions. Frankly, to truly understand these aspects you will need to find a good trainer and learn.
No sir, you are incorrect. I am not concerned in the least bit about the way you shoot. Just because you have been shooting a certain way that works for you since the dawn of time doesn't mean your way is the best for everyone. That was my point. You people that throw dates out there make me laugh. Sounds like my grandaddy. I ain't trying to change the world nor the way you prefer to shoot. Sinless is correct, it is preference and that is my point. +1 Preference I dont shoot just 1 way.
It depends on my position and what im doing at the moment Shooting prone would be a bitch using that method |
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So . . . back to the original question (preferences and professorial teachings aside although interesting to see there are as many schools of thought as there are Forum Members)
Has anyone evaluated the STRAC Mag Well Grip ?? Comparison to other Mag Well Grips like FAM MG-20. Interested in your input - good, bad, ugly - specifically regarding a Mag Well grip product persoinally tested, experienced in use, etc. |
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Good: If you want to hold your rifle that way, it will be more comfortable.
Bad: That type of hold reduces your mechanical advantage holding the rifle. Changing your target will take longer. Ugly: If you have a round explode in the chamber, your hand is in a good spot to be injured. |
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Mostly interested in an AR Pistol or SBR application of a Mag Well Grip for CQ work (tucked and tight).
I would not use it on a 16" or + barrel for all the reasons mentioned. But the rounds going off in the Mag - I would hope to never experience that misfortune and now that has me thinking harder. I have a Magpul AFG 2 on an AR Pistol - it does get some getting used to but keeps my hand cooler
Again - appreciate all the words of wisdom. |
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