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8/20/2007 7:44:27 AM EDT
My Surefire e2 defender suffered from spontaneous combustion the other day. I was in my home office and heard a fairly loud "explosion". Went into the den and found my e2 smoking, lying on the floor +- 12' from the table it had been lying on. The lens was blown off, the part that holds the bulb was destroyed.
Anyone heard of this happening?
8/20/2007 7:46:55 AM EDT
[#1]
I'll bet it was the batteries. What kind were they?
8/20/2007 7:47:07 AM EDT
[#2]
Whoa, that's not good. Did you call surefire? They have great customer service IMO.
8/20/2007 7:51:27 AM EDT
[#3]
Did you mix battery brands or put two used batteries in the light?
8/20/2007 7:52:18 AM EDT
[#4]
common problem with the cheap cr123 batteries. read about it all the time over at candlepowerforums
8/20/2007 8:10:37 AM EDT
[#5]
The batteries were the other brand that Calvin sells, I will get the name when I get home. Dam, i bought a whole box of them, they were supposed to "be just as good".

They were not different, or old.
8/20/2007 8:18:29 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
The batteries were the other brand that Calvin sells, I will get the name when I get home. Dam, i bought a whole box of them, they were supposed to "be just as good".

They were not different, or old.
Time to tell Calvin he needs to get you a replacement if Surefire won't.
8/20/2007 8:37:08 AM EDT
[#7]
I'm sure he would make it right, he has been a great person to do business with. I dont know if I want to fix the light, it seems like a fire hazard.
I really did like the light until it blew up, though.
8/20/2007 8:42:23 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
The batteries were the other brand that Calvin sells, I will get the name when I get home. Dam, i bought a whole box of them, they were supposed to "be just as good".

They were not different, or old.


battery station?

they get very good reviews over at candlepower forums... i've heard quite a bit of flashlight KB's with reputable batteries and HO incadescent lights... wonder if the LEDs are seeing the same problems since they have voltage regulators built into them...

contact Calvin at Brightflashlights or Kevin at Batterystation... one of them should make this right..
8/20/2007 12:17:24 PM EDT
[#9]
battery station sounds right.

oh yeah, the light kinda melted/ burned the side of a multitrack recording studio-cd burner worth about a grand that I was about to list on Ebay.  
8/20/2007 6:38:28 PM EDT
[#10]
Sounds like maybe you left the light 'on' and set it down and walked away from it? If bezel down that is a guaranteed explosion in many instances. If you did, that is not a battery issue if not, it certainly could be.
8/20/2007 6:54:31 PM EDT
[#11]
Review pages 4 and 7 of your owner's manual
8/21/2007 4:57:08 AM EDT
[#12]
yikes!  call Calvin!  He'll make it better.
8/21/2007 1:17:27 PM EDT
[#13]
My E2D did the same thing....set fire to a pile of mail laying next to it. Surefire replaced the light...but if I didn't hear the bang and check on it...or it happened while outa the house.....you can guess what woulda happened.
8/21/2007 2:12:49 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
yikes!  call Calvin!  He'll make it better.


Yeah, I will. I had been wanting to order a couple other items anyway.

I dont think that I left it on, but it is possible.
One of the guys that work for me was with me in my office when it went off.  We went to see WTF happened. When he saw my e2 smoldering on the carpet, smoke in the air, He said "That flashlight looked like it was real nice and all, boss, but that is one of the coolest things I have seen!
8/21/2007 5:56:03 PM EDT
[#15]
Glad it wasn't in your pocket
8/21/2007 6:08:23 PM EDT
[#16]
Is that a common occurance? I worry about keeping mine around  in the house & vehicle with the potential of that happening.
8/22/2007 7:13:54 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
yikes!  call Calvin!  He'll make it better.


Yeah, I will. I had been wanting to order a couple other items anyway.

I dont think that I left it on, but it is possible.
One of the guys that work for me was with me in my office when it went off.  We went to see WTF happened. When he saw my e2 smoldering on the carpet, smoke in the air, He said "That flashlight looked like it was real nice and all, boss, but that is one of the coolest things I have seen!


That is pretty rare indeed. I would almost bet that you left it on and the fire was sure.
8/24/2007 2:20:38 PM EDT
[#18]
I have talked to the customer about this and regardless we'll try to get him fixed back up.  He wasn't sure if it was perhaps left on from where he had just used it or if it was a possible battery failure.  It was Battery St. batteries but it wasn't the bad batch that had some weak cells (05/05) so it's unclear what happened.  The production date was after the bad batch and I know Kevin (at B. St.) had really clamped down on the quality controls after they had those problems.  Right now they test evey single case before they ship so I have the highest confidence in them.

Everyone should remember that such problems can occur (though extremely rare) and approach any such failure with caution because it can be hazardous.  The danger can be from the explosion but more so the toxic fumes that can be released if you're in a poorly ventilated area.  IF you see that anything has happened to your light you should carefully take it outside and open it a well ventilated area holding the light well away from you face so not to inhale any fumes.  I would recommend wearing gloves when opening and to clean the light thoroughly making sure to dispose of the batteries properly.

Nearly every event that I know of this has happening was either from the light being left on or someone mixing used, partially depleted cells with fresh batteries or mixing no name poorly constructed batteries with stronger batteries.  This has happened with nearly every light manufacturer and battery company.  You have to be cautious to keep your new batteries in known locations and if you keep any partially used batteries use them in appropriate equipment that won't have a high energy draw.  I will admit to using partially depleted cells in low output LED's or single cell lights but that should be where you draw the line.

These type of events also serve as a warning to make sure you have either tucked away your lights without any risk of accidental activation or be sure to lockout the tailcap if your light has that feature.
8/24/2007 2:23:03 PM EDT
[#19]
That's insane. I am glad that I switched over to Cree LEDS last year.
8/24/2007 2:33:46 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
That's insane. I am glad that I switched over to Cree LEDS last year.


You're not off the hook either, it can also happen with LED lights as well. If it's a high output LED the same risk still apply and if left on they can get just as hot as an incandascent light.
8/27/2007 6:55:18 PM EDT
[#21]
I had a SF that had Energizer batteries not explode but the battery(s) started smoking and the light got very hot--I was doing a walkthrough of a new home and the flashlight tumbled down 3 or 4 carpeted steps.  About 5 minutes later the smoke started rolling out.  I was in a bathroom at the time and placed it in the sink.  According to the light forums, it's not an uncommon occurance.  It ruined my SF and because I'm pretty sure it a battery problem, I'll not buy anymore expensive lights!!
8/28/2007 8:07:29 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
I had a SF that had Energizer batteries not explode but the battery(s) started smoking and the light got very hot--I was doing a walkthrough of a new home and the flashlight tumbled down 3 or 4 carpeted steps.  About 5 minutes later the smoke started rolling out.  I was in a bathroom at the time and placed it in the sink.  According to the light forums, it's not an uncommon occurance.  It ruined my SF and because I'm pretty sure it a battery problem, I'll not buy anymore expensive lights!!


Does that mean that you had SF batteries do that? Or others?
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