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Posted: 3/12/2012 6:19:35 PM EDT
| Now keep in mind I am 57 so these Red Dot scope's are new to me. I know about regular scopes and have a 3030 but I am confused about the laser scopes. Does the laser sights have any magnification or they strictly for very close shooting? I did see a regular scope mounted on the back with a laser scope in front. Since I am on the subject how far can an AR shoot in regards to accuracy. Keep in mind I don't consider an AR 15 to be a sniper rifle like an AK. |
| The laser pointers in my opinion are only good for close shooting. As the laser is a straight beam and bullets trajectory is an arc it would not be accurate at varying distances. A red dot sight is a scope with a red dot on the lense that dose not project a dot on the target across the way like a leser pointer sight does. |
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I believe he is reffering to a red dot. Aimpoint etc. Red dot sights are good for close shooting and can be used for long distance also. Your typical red dot sight is un magnified. You can also use a 3x magnifier infront of a red dot for longer renge shooting Thanks I thought I was heading in the right frame of thought. One question I did see a Red Dot Site that said it was a 1 x http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=277466803 |
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Here's an excellent thread for you to read about this: What does a $500 Dot Sight do that regular iron sights don't do ?
Holographic sights and red dot sights are VERY helpful with close range shooting (under 100 yards). This is something that is better to experience in person rather than trying to explain. You should go to a local gun shop and check out their optics. If you ask a sales person they will let you play with the display models and show you what it's all about. Lights are very nice to have on most any weapon. If something goes bump in the night you can pick up you weapon (a flashlight that bites  ). Most people attach lights and other miscellaneous accessories to their hand guards not to the optic like you see in the pic you listed.
Lasers can be pretty cool at times, but not all that useful. Once you have it sighted in you simply put the dot on whatever you want to shoot and you'll hit it. The military uses IR lasers (infrared lasers) which are invisible to the eye, but are picked up very well using night vision. They use IR lasers for many different types of applications. For instance they point the IR laser at the enemy and the helicopters blow the shit out of them. |
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Red dot sights and lasers are very different.
Red dot sight: Does not project anything out of the front. The dot is only visible to you. Most have no magnification (you actually look "through" the scope when you use it, not "into" the scope). You can use both eyes open when you use it. Good for short-medium range. You can use a magnifier accessory for longer range. In the $150-$800 range, depending on brand, model, and quality. Laser: Projects a dot out the front. Anyone can see the dot. No need to look through a scope. Generally not very accurate. Short range only. Might not be bright enough to use in bright sunlight (lasers are regulated to a certain power level). Good lasers are very expensive. $800-$1200 range. The biggest difference between a red dot and a normal scope is in how you use it. A red dot sight is basically just a pane of glass that reflects a little dot back at you. This means that you can put your eye at any distance from the sight and it will work. On a normal scope, you have to put your eye at a certain distance from the scope to use it. This makes the red dot a lot easier and faster to use. |
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Red dot sights and lasers are very different. Red dot sight: Does not project anything out of the front. The dot is only visible to you. Most have no magnification (you actually look "through" the scope when you use it, not "into" the scope). You can use both eyes open when you use it. Good for short-medium range. You can use a magnifier accessory for longer range. In the $150-$800 range, depending on brand, model, and quality. Laser: Projects a dot out the front. Anyone can see the dot. No need to look through a scope. Generally not very accurate. Short range only. Might not be bright enough to use in bright sunlight (lasers are regulated to a certain power level). Good lasers are very expensive. $800-$1200 range. The biggest difference between a red dot and a normal scope is in how you use it. A red dot sight is basically just a pane of glass that reflects a little dot back at you. This means that you can put your eye at any distance from the sight and it will work. On a normal scope, you have to put your eye at a certain distance from the scope to use it. This makes the red dot a lot easier and faster to use. How many yards will a red dot work? |
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Red dot sights and lasers are very different. Red dot sight: Does not project anything out of the front. The dot is only visible to you. Most have no magnification (you actually look "through" the scope when you use it, not "into" the scope). You can use both eyes open when you use it. Good for short-medium range. You can use a magnifier accessory for longer range. In the $150-$800 range, depending on brand, model, and quality. Laser: Projects a dot out the front. Anyone can see the dot. No need to look through a scope. Generally not very accurate. Short range only. Might not be bright enough to use in bright sunlight (lasers are regulated to a certain power level). Good lasers are very expensive. $800-$1200 range. The biggest difference between a red dot and a normal scope is in how you use it. A red dot sight is basically just a pane of glass that reflects a little dot back at you. This means that you can put your eye at any distance from the sight and it will work. On a normal scope, you have to put your eye at a certain distance from the scope to use it. This makes the red dot a lot easier and faster to use. How many yards will a red dot work? Think of Red-Dot sights (RDS) as an electronic iron sight which have no eye relief and can be fired without having to align the post and notch. This allows you to be super fast on target, very forgiving in head placement, and maintain much better situational awareness. In essence they work as far out as you can shoot irons. |
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I am tricking out an AR so what do most buyers prefer Red Dot., Laser or good old fashion scope. In regards to hand guards do they prefer floating Quad or fixed Quad? There's no "laser" scopes, except I guess for the one you posted an image of which is a very low end gimmicky optic. I would personally go for an Aimpoint for a red dot, specifically a Aimpoint PRO which is ~$400. |
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I am tricking out an AR so what do most buyers prefer Red Dot., Laser or good old fashion scope. In regards to hand guards do they prefer floating Quad or fixed Quad? There's no "laser" scopes, except I guess for the one you posted an image of which is a very low end gimmicky optic. I would personally go for an Aimpoint for a red dot, specifically a Aimpoint PRO which is ~$400. That's insane $ 400 for a Aimpoint Red Dot . I can buy a complete AR upper for that kind of price. Of course computers were expensive when they first came out. |
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Originally Posted By centralflguns That's insane $ 400 for a Aimpoint Red Dot . I can buy a complete AR upper for that kind of price. Of course computers were expensive when they first came out. Heh, Aimpoints have been out for decades and $400 is as low as the mil-spec quality units get. If you want a cheap but good quality red dot, get one from Primary Arms. BTW, "good" optics easily cost as much if not more than "good" AR upper. Whatever you do, don't price out ACOGs.
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That's insane $ 400 for a Aimpoint Red Dot . I can buy a complete AR upper for that kind of price. Of course computers were expensive when they first came out. Heh, Aimpoints have been out for decades and $400 is as low as the mil-spec quality units get. If you want a cheap but good quality red dot, get one from Primary Arms. BTW, "good" optics easily cost as much if not more than "good" AR upper. Whatever you do, don't price out ACOGs. What I can't figure out is why they cost so much.Has anybody ever done a comparison on the other 2 you mentioned? I am not questioning the quality just the price. What is the chance your just paying for a name. The parts don't look expensive to make. |
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Quoted: Yes, to some degree one always "pays for the name" but that's not where the majority of the difference in price comes from. Aimpoints have battery life that is measured in years and they're durability have been proven in combat time and time again. There is a difference but whether or not that difference is relevant to your needs is up to you. Quoted: What I can't figure out is why they cost so much.Has anybody ever done a comparison on the other 2 you mentioned? I am not questioning the quality just the price. What is the chance your just paying for a name. The parts don't look expensive to make. Originally Posted By centralflguns Heh, Aimpoints have been out for decades and $400 is as low as the mil-spec quality units get. If you want a cheap but good quality red dot, get one from Primary Arms.That's insane $ 400 for a Aimpoint Red Dot . I can buy a complete AR upper for that kind of price. Of course computers were expensive when they first came out. BTW, "good" optics easily cost as much if not more than "good" AR upper. Whatever you do, don't price out ACOGs. I've got a Primary Arms red dot on my 22LR AR and for that rifle it's fine. That's just for plinking at the range but for rifles that I may have to stake my life on, I don't mess around - Aimpoints and ACOGs are the order of the day for those rifles. |
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