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Posted: 8/16/2014 4:50:30 PM EDT
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Do any AR-15 manufacturers put serial numbers on their Complete Uppers? I thought I read somewhere that FN does but are there any others? |
| I think the manufacturers put the serial numbers on firing control units found on lowers. My Sig P250 pistol is modular and that I can change barrels, slides and grips in different configurations. The firing control unit on this pistol is self contained and is serialized. |
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I think the manufacturers put the serial numbers on firing control units found on lowers. My Sig P250 pistol is modular and that I can change barrels, slides and grips in different configurations. The firing control unit on this pistol is self contained and is serialized. Yes, the lower receiver of an AR is serialized, and is the actual firearm. ARs parts are also modular, and interchangeable, and the parts come right in the mail. The lower is the only thing that you must purchase through your FFL |
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I think the manufacturers put the serial numbers on firing control units found on lowers. My Sig P250 pistol is modular and that I can change barrels, slides and grips in different configurations. The firing control unit on this pistol is self contained and is serialized. Your (and my) P250 is also completely different from an AR and not related in any way. In the P250, the fire control group which drops into the polymer frame of the pistol is what is considered the firearm by the ATF, hence the reason that it is serialized. OP, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who serializes uppers because there's no benefit or legal requirement to do so. |
| There is one company claiming that BATFE approved their upper as a firearm, but they want ridiculous money for it. They're trying to copy MGI, so you can put several different magazine wells on a single upper. I've not heard anything about them lately, and their receivers may be proprietary. |
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HK does as well on their AR varients. http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110126.jpg It might be because like Glock's made in Austria and other foreign handguns and AK's I've had in the past I've noticed; they are required to have the receiver, slide &/or upper receiver, and bolt &/or barrel serialized because they are imported. I don't know for sure anymore because of all the retarded laws that are set against us now... I'm assuming the HK in the pic is foreign made??? Off topic: That is one ugly, goofy, & unnecessary bastardization of the AR platform in the pic above IMHO... |
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Quoted: Just happened to be wandering through the base armourers workshop the other day and saw a whole rack of M4s - with serial numbers repeated on the uppers and bolts. Apparently they do it to ensure that the same bolt goes in the same upper every time. Dave, the S/N on the BCG or the bolt itself? |
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There is one company claiming that BATFE approved their upper as a firearm, but they want ridiculous money for it. They're trying to copy MGI, so you can put several different magazine wells on a single upper. I've not heard anything about them lately, and their receivers may be proprietary. I think it's Fleming. |
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I think it's Fleming. Quoted:
Quoted: There is one company claiming that BATFE approved their upper as a firearm, but they want ridiculous money for it. They're trying to copy MGI, so you can put several different magazine wells on a single upper. I've not heard anything about them lately, and their receivers may be proprietary. I think it's Fleming. Yep, it's Fleming, but may not be to use different magazine wells. I think they had another purpose in mind. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_22/413527_Fleming_Nato_Carbine.html |
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USA law requires that the lower receiver must be serialized. Foreign nations sometimes require the upper (barrel/upper receiver assembly) to be serialized instead. I suspect FN's doing both simplifies their exports. While I don't like most regulations on general principal it seems to make more sense to have the actual barrel and bolt serial numbered as they can be replaced and are often the only items that can tested for forensics.
Serial numbers serve several purposes, they help the company track production, they insure that the government collects taxes and they identify the purchaser. If a criminal investigation ensues this information is sometimes useful. Most firearms used in crimes cannot be traced because the criminal leaves with the gun. More often than not the criminal can't be linked to the weapon, even if recovered, through ordinary channels. Stolen handguns are the overwhelming weapon of choice. |
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I think the manufacturers put the serial numbers on firing control units found on lowers. My Sig P250 pistol is modular and that I can change barrels, slides and grips in different configurations. The firing control unit on this pistol is self contained and is serialized. Glock puts a serial number in every place physically possible. |
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Dave, the S/N on the BCG or the bolt itself? Quoted:
Quoted: Just happened to be wandering through the base armourers workshop the other day and saw a whole rack of M4s - with serial numbers repeated on the uppers and bolts. Apparently they do it to ensure that the same bolt goes in the same upper every time. Dave, the S/N on the BCG or the bolt itself? Good question. I could see the serial number on the upper, and was told they repeat it on the bolt. Didn't actually think to ask "bolt, or BCG". Nor was I offered the opportunity to take one apart and check (I get the feeling they generally like visitors to keep their hands to themselves for some odd reason). I will inquire and get back to you. |
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Do any AR-15 manufacturers put serial numbers on their Complete Uppers? I thought I read somewhere that FN does but are there any others? WTF is wrong with you? Why would you even suggest such a thing? Unless you are for restrictive gun ownership laws you would not suggest such a thing. Why not serialize the Firing Pin and Triggers as well ???? Followed by a law requiring all serialized gun parts to be purchased through an FFL. Soon people will suggest putting serial numbers on shell casings and projectiles. This thread should be deleted !!!!!! |
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WTF is wrong with you? Why would you even suggest such a thing? Unless you are for restrictive gun ownership laws you would not suggest such a thing. Why not serialize the Firing Pin and Triggers as well ???? Followed by a law requiring all serialized gun parts to be purchased through an FFL. Soon people will suggest putting serial numbers on shell casings and projectiles. This thread should be deleted !!!!!! Quoted:
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Do any AR-15 manufacturers put serial numbers on their Complete Uppers? I thought I read somewhere that FN does but are there any others? WTF is wrong with you? Why would you even suggest such a thing? Unless you are for restrictive gun ownership laws you would not suggest such a thing. Why not serialize the Firing Pin and Triggers as well ???? Followed by a law requiring all serialized gun parts to be purchased through an FFL. Soon people will suggest putting serial numbers on shell casings and projectiles. This thread should be deleted !!!!!! Relax! He didn't suggest anything, he just asked a questions if any manufacturers did it. |
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Several foreign militaries require matching serial numbers on the upper receiver, lower receiver, and bolt. It's been explained to me that they generally practice "group" maintenance, and want to make sure that the right components go back together as a complete rifle.
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Good question. I could see the serial number on the upper, and was told they repeat it on the bolt. Didn't actually think to ask "bolt, or BCG". Nor was I offered the opportunity to take one apart and check (I get the feeling they generally like visitors to keep their hands to themselves for some odd reason). I will inquire and get back to you. Quoted:
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Quoted: Just happened to be wandering through the base armourers workshop the other day and saw a whole rack of M4s - with serial numbers repeated on the uppers and bolts. Apparently they do it to ensure that the same bolt goes in the same upper every time. Dave, the S/N on the BCG or the bolt itself? Good question. I could see the serial number on the upper, and was told they repeat it on the bolt. Didn't actually think to ask "bolt, or BCG". Nor was I offered the opportunity to take one apart and check (I get the feeling they generally like visitors to keep their hands to themselves for some odd reason). I will inquire and get back to you. Apparently it is both the bolt and the BCG - last 6 digits of the serial number. |
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Apparently it is both the bolt and the BCG - last 6 digits of the serial number. Quoted:
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Quoted: Just happened to be wandering through the base armourers workshop the other day and saw a whole rack of M4s - with serial numbers repeated on the uppers and bolts. Apparently they do it to ensure that the same bolt goes in the same upper every time. Dave, the S/N on the BCG or the bolt itself? Good question. I could see the serial number on the upper, and was told they repeat it on the bolt. Didn't actually think to ask "bolt, or BCG". Nor was I offered the opportunity to take one apart and check (I get the feeling they generally like visitors to keep their hands to themselves for some odd reason). I will inquire and get back to you. Apparently it is both the bolt and the BCG - last 6 digits of the serial number. Thanks much for the research. Probably not a bad maintenance practice. |
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Quoted: WTF is wrong with you? Why would you even suggest such a thing? Unless you are for restrictive gun ownership laws you would not suggest such a thing. Why not serialize the Firing Pin and Triggers as well ???? Followed by a law requiring all serialized gun parts to be purchased through an FFL. Soon people will suggest putting serial numbers on shell casings and projectiles. This thread should be deleted !!!!!! Quoted: Quoted: Do any AR-15 manufacturers put serial numbers on their Complete Uppers? I thought I read somewhere that FN does but are there any others? WTF is wrong with you? Why would you even suggest such a thing? Unless you are for restrictive gun ownership laws you would not suggest such a thing. Why not serialize the Firing Pin and Triggers as well ???? Followed by a law requiring all serialized gun parts to be purchased through an FFL. Soon people will suggest putting serial numbers on shell casings and projectiles. This thread should be deleted !!!!!! |
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