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Posted: 2/18/2009 3:39:29 PM EDT
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I got wolf military classic to cycle now(needed way more lube and i cut 1-2 coils off the spring) but yesterday i got a round stuck in the chambered so hard it locked up the rifle. i couldnt use the charging handle, so i took the upper off, and fought with it for 30 mins or so, until i finally got the BCG out. then i had to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel, and bang it against a telephone pole for a while to dislodge the round.
the question. after inspecting everything, i see that the BCG and the chamber is covered in some red/maroon material. is this the lacquer ive heard about? (its military classic) if it is, is there anything(besides switching ammo....obvisouly.....i got a lot of it for Christmas) that can help? |
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I got wolf military classic to cycle now(needed way more lube and i cut 1-2 coils off the spring) but yesterday i got a round stuck in the chambered so hard it locked up the rifle. i couldnt use the charging handle, so i took the upper off, and fought with it for 30 mins or so, until i finally got the BCG out. then i had to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel, and bang it against a telephone pole for a while to dislodge the round. the question. after inspecting everything, i see that the BCG and the chamber is covered in some red/maroon material. is this the lacquer ive heard about? (its military classic) if it is, is there anything(besides switching ammo....obvisouly.....i got a lot of it for Christmas) that can help? I'd say it needs a good cleaning. I've always been told that for new AR's, you should put at least a few hundred rounds of quality brass ammo before touching any steel case (WOLF) ammo. Oh, and about the WOLF ammo for your AR...Don't use it. Instead, you should get rid of it all ASAP!!! I'll pick it up and dispose of it properly for ya. 
Brad |
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Bullet sealer is the red stuff in question,
As for when the spent case does stick in the chamber again, pull down on the charging handle will given the butt stock a good blow off the ground. If you have a carbine stock, either lock the butt stock all the way forward, or just pull down on the lever (not cam'd to one side) and remove the butt stock so you can make the blows to the end of the receiver extension. If the bolt will not unlock, man up and do it again (read harder blow off the ground). This will unlock the bolt, either with extracting the case, or at least get the bolt unlocked so you can lock it back (tear the rim off the spent case), which will allow you to use a one piece cleaning rod down the muzzle to get the spent case out of the chamber. As for cleaning the fouling out of the chamber, you need a chamber brush since CLP, nor standard barrel cleaning agents will dissolve either lacquer or poly fouling (read chamber has to be scrubbed by hand via the chamber brush to remove such). |
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I got wolf military classic to cycle now(needed way more lube and i cut 1-2 coils off the spring) but yesterday i got a round stuck in the chambered so hard it locked up the rifle. i couldnt use the charging handle, so i took the upper off, and fought with it for 30 mins or so, until i finally got the BCG out. then i had to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel, and bang it against a telephone pole for a while to dislodge the round. the question. after inspecting everything, i see that the BCG and the chamber is covered in some red/maroon material. is this the lacquer ive heard about? (its military classic) if it is, is there anything(besides switching ammo....obvisouly.....i got a lot of it for Christmas) that can help? WHY??? |
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^ originally it was short stroking every round. cured that completely.
i really dont like the idea of banging it on the ground, as the round that was stuck was an UNFIRED, live round. i wanted to keep the muzzle pointed either at the ground or in "safe" direction. so is the red sealent specific to wolf? |
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I've had that happen. One swift bang of the buttstock on the ground will fix it.....make sure to point it away from anything obviously. Wolf cases do not expand like brass, so it gets alot of powder residue and such in the chamber around the case. The stuck cases I have encountered were a bit oversized when measured. (2 rounds out of about 3000).
Brass cased ammo will get stuck if you shoot them following a bunch of Wolf because they expand into the 'muck' left by Wolf. When shooting Wolf, I only use Wolf until after the next cleaning. |
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Wolf cases do not expand like brass, so it gets alot of powder residue and such in the chamber around the case. Please bring me up to speed on this one??? Are you saying that the case does not seal at all, and 50K of pressure is being leaked back past the case trying to fire form? _____________________ As for clipping the spring, hopefully you have another one on order to , Install when you are shooting other ammo to prevent over function of the action, and to install once the rifle breaks-in and so you can run the current ammo with over function problems as well. As for the charging handle, butt stock blow, spend some time reading the TM operators manual on the M-16 and Ar-15 rifles since this is the correct way to clear the action. http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/TM9-1005-319-10.pdf Page 94 |
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Wolf cases do not expand like brass, so it gets alot of powder residue and such in the chamber around the case. Please bring me up to speed on this one??? Are you saying that the case does not seal at all, and 50K of pressure is being leaked back past the case trying to fire form? _____________________ As for clipping the spring, hopefully you have another one on order to , Install when you are shooting other ammo to prevent over function of the action, and to install once the rifle breaks-in and so you can run the current ammo with over function problems as well. As for the charging handle, butt stock blow, spend some time reading the TM operators manual on the M-16 and Ar-15 rifles since this is the correct way to clear the action. http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/TM9-1005-319-10.pdf Page 94 +1 / that's where I was going. To modify the weapon so you can fire cheap ammo does not seem like the way to go. If your weapon can't fire it, then save it for one that will. You may have just limited your ability to fire decent ammo when you want to. It's like altering your car to run on grease because you have some in the kitchen, but won't be able to use gas when you are out of grease. |
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im sure you guys have WAY more knowledge than me on the subject, but for my purposes, 1.5 or 2 coils off the spring doesnt negativley affect the gun at all. and it may have helped my weak ammo problem, so im not concerned about it. someday if i think about it, ill order another spring.
So is the red stuff everywhere normal? i cleaned it with a brush last night, and let hoppes sit in it for 20 minutes and cleaned it out. My wife and i are going to shoot it here in a few mintues so well see how it does with it being super clean. thanks for all your help. and is the red stuff normal? |
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Please bring me up to speed on this one??? Are you saying that the case does not seal at all, and 50K of pressure is being leaked back past the case trying to fire form? Case wall/chamber blackening at reduced pressures is nothing unusual. Nor is it anything to worry about. I've seen this over 40 years at this game, with everything from .38 Special to .375 H&H. Someone posted pressures of Wolf black box in the ammo forum maybe 1 or 2 years ago. They suggested that black box generated around 40k PSI. This is well under even SAAMI .223 specs. At this level some case blackening from incomplete obturation can be expected - particularly with steel case material. But its no big deal. Now the Mil Classic chronos about 250 fps faster than the black box. So I have to wonder if anything is getting around the case walls with this stuff. Kinda doubt it. Sam |
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im sure you guys have WAY more knowledge than me on the subject, but for my purposes, 1.5 or 2 coils off the spring doesnt negativley affect the gun at all. and it may have helped my weak ammo problem, so im not concerned about it. someday if i think about it, ill order another spring. So is the red stuff everywhere normal? i cleaned it with a brush last night, and let hoppes sit in it for 20 minutes and cleaned it out. My wife and i are going to shoot it here in a few mintues so well see how it does with it being super clean. thanks for all your help. and is the red stuff normal? Some ammo's are sealed both at the primer, and at the bullet to case mouth. It's a lacquer water proofing sealant, and normal fouling for these types of ammo; which cleans very easily with just a bit of scrubbing. |
| My lazy mans method for cleaning after wolf involves chucking a cheap aluminum cleaninng rod section into my cordless drill. Then I screw a Gi chamber brush to the end. Slide brush into chamber and spin drill for about 1 to 2 secs. Spray out with brake cleaner. Shiney as new. |
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