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Posted: 2/25/2006 5:41:50 PM EDT
| Who all makes a single piece base and 30mm rings for a flat top AR? I know Armalite makes a good one but who else is there? |
The best mount on the market for a scope is the LaRue Tactical SPR. C4 www.GRTactical.com 
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| Nightforce makes a nice mount but I prefer the Larue SPR mount. The levers are more convenient and I think they are more secure with the new lock. |
Hmmm I have never actually heard anyone say that. Can you tell me what benefits this would give you (would like to learn)? I can think of many negatives as to why screws are bad (back out, no repeat zero, require a tool to remove, etc, etc). C4 |
| My ACOG on my rifle in Iraq had thumb screws, it never backed out and it always returned to zero if I removed it, however the VITAL IR laser I had was equiped with ARMS levers and it would slide forward and backwards on the rail of my M4. Even my friends M4 that has a lever mount Comp M2 does the same thing, it makes me not trust them. |
| Larues throw lever design is much better than ARMS for a few reasons, but the main advantage of the Larue design is that you can adjust the amount of tension it takes to secure the levers. This helps for those out of spec rails or rails that are just worn a little. I do prefer the Larue mount because I think the throw lever is superior but if you prefer the thru bolts find a mount you like and try it, if it's from a reputable company, it will be fine. |
If you paint witness marks on knobs, you can get pretty close (within 1MOA). I think if you were using a precision weapon and shooting good ammo, you would have found that your ACOG didn't actually return to zero (was close though). The ARMS mount becoming loose on the rail is a normal thing. The great thing about the LT levers is that they are adjustable so this cannot happen. C4 |
I like to remove my optics from the weapon when I am doing maintenance and or just cleaning them (as I tend to drop things).  C4 |
| Mk 262 mod 1 was the ammo and I was working on a sniper team, witness marks were painted on the knobs and it did return to zero every time, the entire year there, and I removed the optics every few days during cleaning after returning in from the field, didnt have a problem removing them with the knobs either. I dont intend to get in a pissing match with you over this, I am just asking a damn question. |
No pissing match, but it is nearly impossible to get EXACT repeat zero out of knobs (unless you are using a torque wrench set to an exact weight). If you did it then great, but your about the only person I have known to do this repeatedly. C4 |
| Oh the mount was crappy, all the ARMS levers I have seen wore down quick in real world use. I can understand that if someone has it on a rifle they take to the range and use it might last a long time but in real world, hard, every day use they suck. Thats why you can not convince me a throw lever mount will be any good. |
As I said before, if you were shooting out of chrome lined A4's (for instance) the accuracy ability of these weapons is not good enough for anyone to have noticed that their optics were .5-1MOA off. Below is a pic of three, 5 shot groups I fired off of a bench using a 24X scope, a Noveske barrel and and a thumb screw mount. I shot a group, removed the optic, remounted the optic and shot another group. As you can see the the groups walked on me as I couldn't get the optic back to the exact zero I had before. C4 
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To compare an ARMS lever to a LT lever is like comparing a Ford LTD to a Lexus LS 430. I would suggest that you do a little more research (especiall on the 10-8 forums) about the LT levers before you snub your nose at their repeat zero capability. As an FYI, most of the top tier SF guys are running LT mounts. C4 |
| I can see where it could lose .5 MOA off the zero but I can still not be convinced to use a throw lever for the reasons posted above. I remember when the ARMS was the mount to have, and if you said it would not hold a true zero you were crucified for it but I have seen this happen with them so many times. |
Flashlight is kind of a diff. thing than optics. I like levers on flashlight (no matter whose lever) as I can quickly remove the light (don't have to find a tool to remove it). C4 |
I have used the ARMS #22 rings on a couple of my AR's. This was the only choice that was available if you wanted a QD mount. It wasn't/isn't the perfect solution, but it is all we had at the time (the best of what's around). We now how LT lever's which are nothing like the ARMS lever (adjustable, solid billet heat treated SS, etc). I am willing to bet if you tried the LT SPR, you would NEVER go back to any mounts with knobs.  C4 |
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hey man Just adding my $.02 here. I have worked extensively with all mounts discussed here, Nothing and I mean Nothing repeats Zero Like LaRue Mounts period. I understand your hesitation, especially after using ARMS mounts, But this is a completely different animal. I have never been that successful with the TA51 (ACOG) mount and I and Many, many , many others in uniform will tell you the same thing, If you have to take off the site regularly, for cleaning, maintenance, etc. as we always do, nothing beats a LaRue. Grant was not trying to piss you off he is just trying to save you some money and head aches, You can get any mount you want, then after a few weeks, months, etc when you start learning more about the newest technology in Mounting equipment, You'll be back to buy one, believe me, we've all been there. We're all here just to give friendly advise just like you asked for, thats all. Good luck and do a search on LaRue, read some of the feed back from the field, You'll see, I promise you'll never use a Screw mount again. good shoot'n chuck |
| I am just going to go with regular rings. I appreciate the help and all but I am just not going to mess with it. I am in uniform (11B20) and I do use the TA51 mount but have not had problems with it ever but I do believe you that you are having great success with LaRue and I might get one someday but I am just not ready for them yet. I dont plan to take this scope off the rifle at all, as I dont do this with any of my precision rifles so having to have it return to zero makes no real difference to me, this is the part I think you are not understanding. |
Call up LT, they may very well hook you up. C4 |
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