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Posted: 6/12/2005 3:14:56 PM EDT
| What do I need to get for cleaning a 20" brl upper? Can i just immerse the whole upper? |
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If you will break it all down you can soak the bolt, bolt carrier and misc small parts (cam, firing pin, retaining pin ect) in one of the 16 oz. jars of carbon cutter. If you want to soak the barrel, which you can do if you need to get into the locking lug area, look at the Slip 2000 web site and see the barrel cleaning tubes. There just ABS black plastic pipe with a cap at one end and a male adapter at the other end to plug it back up when your done using it. It takes a couple of gallons of carbon cutter to fill one of these up to use it depending on what size pipe you use. (I have had my 4" standing in the corner of the shop for 18 months know and no leaks). If you are using a good lubricant like the Slip 2000 lubricant it does not take much to clean up after a day at the range (300-500 rounds) I just dip the carbon cutter on a mop or patches and run it through my barrel 2-3 times and then run a brush through 2-3 times, hit the locking lug area with a chamber brush, followup with a mop again and you'll see the carbon run out. Rinse with warm or hot water and watch the crap run out. Make sure you follow up with a good spray down of the lube after to make sure any and all the metal surfaces are well lubed to protect against rusting. Hope this helps |
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Slip 2000 has some good products. I got a free trial kit from them and I'm still using it. The degreaser works very well, and the carbon cutter stuff is absolutely amazing. I soak my bore snakes, bore brushes, bore mops, and other parts that are crudded up and too difficult to wash by hand. After 1-2 days its totally clean and the parts just need to be rinsed out. I do not like the Slip 2000 CLP because of the smell. It gags/chokes me because it smells like strong sewing machine oil. Others have really liked it. That said I will probably order a large quantity of the carbon cutter and degreaser soon. |
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Never mind Metroplex. I called and had a long talk with Greg at SPS.Very informative.Found out what I wanted to know and then some.Excellent customer service at SPS. Anyway the GPL will not be available to us civies for a couple months.So I will have to wait to get some. |
Is the GLP like the CLP Slip already offers? What does the GLP stand for? I have found that Slip 2000 CLP is as goos as Mil-Comm. I have found both to be extreemly good products. The only thing I like more about Slip 2000 is it has no solid lubricants (PTFE) like Mil-Comm has so the potential acid problem is not there. |
GPL=General Purpose Lubricant From what Greg at SPS told me the EP qualities(falex load capacity) are much higher with the GPL. Slip2000 CLP is 750lbs. GPL is over 4500lbs.,which is right up there with TW-25B. The GPL is still a CLP though. Looks like the chlorinated lubes like FP-10,Militec and Protec etc. are in for a run on the EP oil barriers.Slip2000 CLP is already rated,like I said at 750lb.,which is right in the hunt with the chlorinated lubes...on paper anyway.If the GPL works as they say the chlorinated lubes will be old news.Slip does not use chlorinated additives either. Its not available to the civies right now.Its locked up with the military as is the new Slip2000 MIL-X.So we will have to wait and see what happens in a few months. But from what I have been told,you apply the GPL,allow to soak a few,then wipe dry.No baking either.  It lubes as stated,as well as offering the 150hr. corrosion protection spec....even in trace amounts.Slips inhibitor package must also be right up there with Break Free's. Im always interested in the new stuff,especially if it works as advertised.Being that the military is running it through the tests I'd say its going to be evaluated well. Time will tell.But it looks like another interesting gun oil not far off.I dont see how it could replace the TW-25B grease in any application.The TW-25B is too long lasting on parts IMHO,as it is a very light grease. Sorry for the ramble...too much caffeine. Edit to add: What acid problem? If your talking about the PTFE I'd say thats rare at very best. Like I said before,from the information Ive found on the subject the PTFE only burns at 900F+.And at 1% per hour.Thats freakin hot for a long time before you have any issues.Heck at that amount of heat for that amount of time your going to have mechanical issues to deal with other than acids from the PTFE.Then you have to also consider the corrosion inhibitors used in the lubes like Mil-comm and Break Free which limit such a small amount of acids from contacting the metal. I say its not worth worrying about.Personally I have been using lubes containing PTFE for over 15 years,namely Break Free and in the past three or so years Mil-comm,and have yet to see any issues with corrosion,PTFE gumming or accuracy. I say just maintain your stuff and dont worry about the fine details. There are some health issues related to eating or smoking large amounts of PTFE though.So watch you intake.
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I am currently playing around with the 3-in-1 High Performance Lube with PTFE (Gray can at Lowes). I'm not allergic to the WD-40 family of products. BreakFree CLP doesn't go well with my skin. FP-10 smells like cinnamon, Slip 2000 CLP makes me gag, Militec has poor rust protection, RemOil doesn't lube very well, ATF is OK but I tihnk I'm allergic to that as well, and engine oil seems to evaporate too quickly when I was at the range. The PTFE makes cleaning a lot easier FWIW. It also keeps my barrel looking gunmetal gray instead of white. The last time I was at the range, my gas tube changed colors and the barrel started turning white (Bushmaster 24" NM H-bar).  Anyhow, I just wanted to add that Slip 2k's Carbon Cutter and Degreaser work really well. I just cleaned my .30 cal bore brushes by soaking them for about 48 hours in carbon cutter. The one thing I noticed is that you need to soak the parts longer than recommended in carbon cutter. Otherwise, the parts do not get clean as quickly. |
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Metroplex, Have you tried the Mil-comm yet? The Mil-comm smells sorta like Hawaiian Tropic suntan lotion.Makes me think of bikini's every time.  Also MPC makes a sports/bike lube which is exactly the same as FP-10,except it has a different flavor/scent.Call Sharon at MPC and see if she will send you a sample. You might also take a look at ProTec's GUNoil.Not much odor,kinda smells like militec to me.Protects pretty well too.Its a bit thicker than FP-10 and is only an LP. As for your barel turing white...got her hot huh.I do that all the time,particularly at the MG shoots.Burns the oil off and the PTFE shines like a bone.Mil-comm is notorious for that. |
Again thanks for posting great info! Looks like the next generation Slip 2000 oil's are going to be that absolute best gun oil's to be had! I hope they deliver what they say they will. I know the current Slip 2000 is good stuff. It does not burn off and keep everything wet. I did 700 rounds out of my AR in 1 range trip and Slip 2000 lasted the whole time with no signs of giving up. It is now my Favorite along with Mil-Comm. |
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SS40, Yeap,from what Greg at SPS told me they are getting serious about the lubes.Particularly with the military. I was wondering how long lived the Slip2000 CLP would be under high round counts and heat.Seemed thin to me if I remember correctly. I have not ran any serious live fire testing with the Slip.I still have about half a bottle of the Slip2000 MIL-X sample from a couple years ago.I will have to run it at the next shoot and see. To date the only lubes that have went past 500 rounds without burning off or drying out has been FP-10 and Mil-comm. Thanks for the feed back. |
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I got a sample of Slip 2000 about a year ago and it was different then the newer(but supposedly the same) Slip 2000 I got a month ago. The new stuff seems thicker just a bit and a little lighter in color. I don't know if the differances were from age. I tend to over oil a little, I grew up thinking more was better and can't seem to break myself of that. When I shot the 700 rounds I had a liberal coat of oil all over the gun. It ran great and never missed a beat. Bolt was very dirty but wet and it cleaned up well. |
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Everyone and their brother that made or makes gun lubes is now scrambling to sell to the military due to the war in SWA. However, as of the latest QPL I saw a week ago, the only readily available CLP that meets 63460D was BreakFree CLP. Picatinny is working on 63460E but I have no clue what is going to be changed and who will qualify under that spec. FP-10 and Slip 2000 are supposed to be "promising" to qualify under the new revision E spec. I think PTFE must be removed and all the products must pass the corrosion test. THe corrosion test appears to be the key thing since almost none of the gun lubes provide enough protection as BF CLP. If they do, they somehow lack something else required in the spec... I just know that if you're going to fight in the desert, keep your AR-15 dry. Otherwise it will attract sand big time. Or just use a Klashnikov based rifle. Those things were almost designed to work in the worst places so long as you give it some TLC and good ammo. But many of the gun lube makers have some neat innovative products that weren't designed to be CLPs. Like the carbon cutter and degreaser. It saves me a lot of time and contact with hazardous solvents! |
| If you go to Slip 2000 website you can read the current doccuments about the current military testing being done on several different gun oils. Slip 2000 so far is passing everything and some others have failed. These papers are the real deal and very interesting. Slip could be the next Break Free. |
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I got a jar of the carbon cutter,725 cleaner and some Slip2000 CLP in the mail today. First thing I noticed was the Slip2000 CLP looks and smells different than the SLIP2000 sample and MIL-X sample I got in 2003. Greg at SPS,said they had recently improved the inhibitor package to meet the 150 hour spec..So that might be the difference.He said the samples I had were the old formulas. The old samples smelled sorta sweet,the new slip2000 CLP does not. The 725 cleaner reminds me of the MC-25 cleaner at first glance.Without the old lady smell. I pulled my sorta clean AR bolt and dropped it in the carbon cutter for a few.Man yall were not pulling any legs.I could not believe the funk that came off the bolt.Looks like new,not one spec of fouling...even the hard carbon on the rear of the bolt just wiped off.Im freakin impressed. Gota question for those of yall using the 725. Do yall rinse the 725 off with hot water or just wipe the surface dry? Im going to run 500 or so rounds through the AR this weekend with the Slip2000 CLP and see how it does.May run it on the 220 if I go do the IPSC in Dickson on saturday. I will give feed back afterwards. Im very impressed with the carbon cutter though.  |
I use the 725 cleaner from Slip 2000 and after I'm done cleaning with it I spray it down with 91% Isopropal Alcohol from a water bottle sprayer and the Iso drys fast. Then I reoil with Slip 2000 CLP. No hot water, I use 91% Iso Alcohol to rince everything now. Works Great and no problems with rust as it drys super fast! When I did my 700 round range session with my Slip 2000 lubed AR I had the oil on it very heavy. When I was done most of the gun's parts were still wet. Slip says you can wipe off the excess oil after it has penitrated for a little while and even though the parts look dry they are well lubed. I wonder it you shot enough to burn off the oil if it would still be lubed(oil penitrated into the pores of the steel) and protected even though it looked dry? |
The samples I got in 2003 smelled sweet.The oil also weeped through the bottles.The new Slip I got yesterday smells as you described and is lighter in color.The old samples were a dark burnt orange,the new is sorta light brown looking. |
Got it.I will try that. I do not know,but I will see if I can find out. My AR will run pretty much dry.Its well broke in.If the lube stays put on the parts after a good run then I will be satisfied.I will check it out this week end and report my seat of the pants testing. |
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I applied the Slip CLP leaving a thin film on all parts.Took the AR out and put 500 rounds of Q3131A through it.No failures and the thin film of Slip remained on all the parts.I could see no wear issues and the action remained slick and smooth...not much fouling was collected in the upper either.The brass mark on the deflector wiped right off with Slip CLP on a cloth. I cleaned the rifle with Slip CLP in just a few minutes. From what I can see the Slip CLP stays put and lubes pretty well.Cleaning the bore was slow as usual for a CLP but it did a good job.Cleans better than FP-10 though. Im going to run the Slip CLP for awhile and see what happens. Im happy so far though. |
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Ran the last 500 rounds in the case sunday.No failures and no wear increase.The Slip stayed put and the action remained smooth as silk...never got gritty,carbon buildup was minimal as normal for Q3131A and clean up was easy. I really like the 725 cleaner too.Cleans very well and flashes dry nicely leaving the parts very clean. Im going to run the Slip products for a couple months and get a good feel of the stuff.So far Im pleased. |
I had used products with the PTFE for years, before Slip 2000 came along, and I never saw or had any trouble that I am aware of anyway. I really just do not like the fact it tends to seperate and you really have to shake the container up before using it. (You single guys might need that practice but us married guys don't Ha! Ha!)
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