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Posted: 11/24/2007 11:47:57 PM EDT
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Anyone have one ? Anyone have one mounted on a carbine ?  Looked thru the pic thread and didn't see any, saw some of the Surefire 9v lights. |
| I've got a M4. I've been very happy with it. Mainly use it for handheld, but it has been mounted on my AR a few times. I was worried about it being to bulky mounted on my rifle, but it really is not that bad. I really like the long throw of the M4. I can easily spot targets out to 150+ yards. Most say it is to bright for indoor work, but I would disagree. It works great indoors or outdoors. The standard 250 lumens lamp works the best. I really can't tell much difference in the high output lamp, except that it only has a 20 minute run time vs. over 60 minute with standard lamp. It is my second favorite flashlight I have ever owned (Insight Typoon is my favorite). I'll try to get a picture with it mounted on my AR and post. |
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I used to have the 12P's (pre-cursors to the M4 Devastaor's) on my M4's. These were taken a few years ago when I had a company called "Combative Concepts"...So please be gentle....   Keep in mind, these 12-volt systems have more "afterglow". That is when you turn them off and move, you will see a light trail leading to your new position. Opponents with bracket that new position with rounds quite naturally and without conscious thought. I compensate by immediately dropping my weapon after an illumination (which I really don't like to do at all) Therefore generally I run the 9-volt systems with a carbine. still have the "B" (250, 350, 500 lumen lamp assemblies) option available on my SF M500 system, for perimeter work. WARNING: Thread drift ahead Older 12P setup with ARMS Mount  SF M4 with other Mounting Option  Laser Devices – 9-volt Setup  When I asked a Leupold representative what a light on one of their optics would do over time, he became fairly incredulous. He immediately asked me what my background was, and asked me why the hell would I put a light on a sniper rifle. I then asked him if he wanted to talk technical capabilities, “religion” or both. He said, “Both”. Okay then. I asked him if he had ever done any entry work as part of a professional team….”Yes”. Great What did you carry? “MP-5, M4, Benelli” Did you have lights on those weapons? “Yes” Why? “To identify my targets” Any other reason? “No” Have you ever thought about the fact that bright lights in opponents’ faces can give you a small reactionary gap? “Yes, I understand”. Great What is the average engagement range of those type of encounters? “Inside of 10 feet” Agreed So you are telling me that you are willing to go beak-to-beak with potentially armed individuals, inside of 10’ with those calibers, but you are not willing to be involved in a firefire fight from an exponentially longer distance, from a concealed position, with the most accurate weapon on the field of battle with 7.62? I went on to explain that the light on the weapon is the last option of choice, but an option. Use ambient light, remote lighting, vehicle spots, other scene lighting whenever possible. But what happens if you have to quickly pick up your rifle and re-locate for any number of reasons? I know of a police officer that shot a suspect inside of 7-yards with their bolt gun on entry. I have a small backup red dot on my optic that can be used for exactly this purpose or as an backup to my main optic. What happens if the opponent goes mobile. What if, what if…. Try this: From a concealed position of 100 yards and bright light, illuminate moving people….Watch what they do….They almost always stop for a moment….Whoops….Game over. A SF M4 with a 350 lumen lamp is actually painful to look at inside of 100 yards if you are already dark adapted. Walk downrange 300 yards and have somebody illuminate you….If you did not already know it was 300 yards, you would have a difficult time ranging the target quickly. By then it would be over. You can easily put rounds in tight groups at 300 yards on targets at night, where the unassisted eye could not even see the target with this setup. The big advantage of these 12-volt setups is the lateral coverage you get when attempting to bracket a target. Tough to outrun photons and bullets soon to follow. As always, it should be light and move no matter the engagement range whenever possible. |
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This isnt ecactly the M4, but it is Surefire's weapon light equivillent. Its called the M98xx. Everything is the same except the batteries are isolated form the bulb and it comes with the rail mount and pressure switch. Im a nobody, I haven't done anything Ken is talking about, but I have shot this gun at night out to probably 400 (distance to furthest targets wasnt specified, but I knew where the 600 yard line was!) yards while friends with no lights had already long packed their gear. An acquaintence on our local big city SWAT team also gave an excellent example as to why lights on longer range guns has helped them. He is not a sniper on their team but he explained how their snipers can have a big light with long range on their gun so the sniper can hit the light, take attention off the guys who are closer, and give the closer guys an advantage. The light does nothing to get in the way, yet the possibilities it offers you with it mounted seem to keep mounting. 
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I have a M4 and LOVE IT. I have mounted it, and it rocks on an AR. You did well. |
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Cool!! I have DD offset mount that I occasionally use for mounting the M4 on the long range 20" rifle. I use the same for the M3 on the carbine. Nice rifle... nice light!! Have you played with the pair in the dark yet to form an opinion on the suitability of the M4? |
Just finished putting it together today so I haven't had a chance yet. But just being out in the dark with this light is amazing.  |
Man you have alot of toys |
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