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7/13/2004 9:47:26 AM EDT
Anybody know of any GOOD (meaning usefull training information) for the AR15.  I find that a lot of the videos out there are just guys talking about what they've done and where they've been.

I'm looking for something one can use as reference in good tactical training.

Thanks
Rick
7/13/2004 10:28:18 AM EDT
[#1]
Forget the videos.

What you need is a good course.  Then for reference material after the course (and some pre-study before it) I'd recoomend Jim Crews's "Some of the Answer: Urban Carbine", and Jeff Gonzales's book Combative Fundamentals, An Unconventional Approach .
7/13/2004 11:19:48 AM EDT
[#2]
Take a course. You cannot beat good training. Once you take a course, you'll be hooked on it! Going to the range will never be the same.......
7/13/2004 11:33:22 AM EDT
[#3]
I bought the TWO VIDEO set of Actual USMC rifle training.  It is a comprehensive intro to how to shoot the M16-A2.

Some of the things in the video are different than the training you'll receive in a Patrol Rifle course, but I think it's a great start.
7/13/2004 1:05:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Can you recommend any good courses?
7/13/2004 1:08:04 PM EDT
[#5]
Never mind I just re-read the above post.  One of those days!
7/13/2004 1:33:10 PM EDT
[#6]
Gunsite sells a video that's okay.
Gabe Suarez has a book that's good, I think it's called Patrol Rifle or something like that
7/13/2004 1:42:13 PM EDT
[#7]
No video can replace a good rifle course but I think Kelly McCann's Tactical Carbine is the best of the lot.
7/13/2004 2:07:43 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Gunsite sells a video that's okay.
Gabe Suarez has a book that's good, I think it's called Patrol Rifle or something like that



Gabe's book is Tactical Rifle, and I agree, it is pretty good. Jim Crew's book that Forest mentioned is also very good.
7/13/2004 2:21:39 PM EDT
[#9]
I'm still trying to figger out what Jim Crew's credentials are.

I've heard good things about him, but where did he learn his skills?
7/13/2004 2:34:57 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I'm still trying to figger out what Jim Crew's credentials are.


His ability to teach - there are alot of instructors out there, but not all of them can teach.



I've heard good things about him, but where did he learn his skills?

IIRC from the instructors at Gunsite.  Notice his books don't cover tactics but basic gun handling skills (which are the foundation you will build upon).
7/13/2004 2:39:14 PM EDT
[#11]
I haven't read his book, but I'm interested in doing so eventually.  
7/13/2004 2:43:01 PM EDT
[#12]
The Kelly McCann/Jim Grover videos are very good.

www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=856
7/14/2004 6:54:26 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Can you recommend any good courses?



Blackwater....

Gunsite......

Thunder Ranch.....

There are a ton of local (I call em' "Homegrown") carbine classes offered by name brand instructors all over the country. Pat Rogers, John Farnham, etc travel all around to teach. Folks may argue about who is the best instructor/school, but, the bottom line is to get training from one of them.

I thought I was a competent pistol shooter, then I went to SigArms for training. After that, I knew where the bulk of my firearms dollars were going to go......
7/14/2004 8:02:47 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Can you recommend any good courses?



I see your in IL.

Boon County Sherrif Office IIRC bring Pat Rogers in every year or so for a carbine class.  As someone said before - he is the Yoda of carbine training.

FIRE Institute in Pittsburg, PA isn't too far away, and Jim Crews might have some classes in your area.
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