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Posted: 3/27/2013 10:51:26 AM EDT
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Anybody know where I can get a set of triangle midlength handguards?
model1 makes them in carbine length but not midlength, and it doesn't appear that nodak makes them anymore. any leads? |
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Im still making them as a drop in application. It just takes me a little time to do it , generally 2-3 weeks.
Question... If I put some effort into a "big front cap" for midlength triagnles (similar to the prototype 607 carbine in RBR) would there be enough interest? You would be able to buy the cap, and just chop down a set of triangles.. BAM!!! you got middy handgaurds.. |
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Wouldn't it be easier to make a 607 style end cap and leave the front section intact? either way, you're going to have to run a custom piece with cut down handguards. unless you get the drop in ones. TSI style - standard triangular front HG cap, custom rear jhud proposal - standard delta ring for the rear, custom front cap jhud drop in - standard delta ring in rear, standard HG cap in front but on a carbine application, you'll more than likely to have to pull your FSB anyways to replaced the front HG cap anyways. |
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Im still making them as a drop in application. It just takes me a little time to do it , generally 2-3 weeks. Question... If I put some effort into a "big front cap" for midlength triagnles (similar to the prototype 607 carbine in RBR) would there be enough interest? You would be able to buy the cap, and just chop down a set of triangles.. BAM!!! you got middy handgaurds.. Are you talking about a front cap so they use the rear section of the HGs? I like that setup. I was surprised when I got that set of carbine HGs like that that I liked them so much. I'm going to make another set and put them on my AR pistol I think. |
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Wouldn't it be easier to make a 607 style end cap and leave the front section intact? either way, you're going to have to run a custom piece with cut down handguards. unless you get the drop in ones. TSI style - standard triangular front HG cap, custom rear jhud proposal - standard delta ring for the rear, custom front cap jhud drop in - standard delta ring in rear, standard HG cap in front but on a carbine application, you'll more than likely to have to pull your FSB anyways to replaced the front HG cap anyways. I think the custom rear cap standard front cap would be the way to go since you would only have to pull the barrel and not the FSB. YMMV |
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Wouldn't it be easier to make a 607 style end cap and leave the front section intact? either way, you're going to have to run a custom piece with cut down handguards. unless you get the drop in ones. TSI style - standard triangular front HG cap, custom rear jhud proposal - standard delta ring for the rear, custom front cap jhud drop in - standard delta ring in rear, standard HG cap in front but on a carbine application, you'll more than likely to have to pull your FSB anyways to replaced the front HG cap anyways. I think the custom rear cap standard front cap would be the way to go since you would only have to pull the barrel and not the FSB. YMMV That was exactly my thinking too. |
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Wouldn't it be easier to make a 607 style end cap and leave the front section intact? either way, you're going to have to run a custom piece with cut down handguards. unless you get the drop in ones. TSI style - standard triangular front HG cap, custom rear jhud proposal - standard delta ring for the rear, custom front cap jhud drop in - standard delta ring in rear, standard HG cap in front but on a carbine application, you'll more than likely to have to pull your FSB anyways to replaced the front HG cap anyways. I think the custom rear cap standard front cap would be the way to go since you would only have to pull the barrel and not the FSB. YMMV That was exactly my thinking too. even with a custom rear cap, unless you have a triangular HG cap on your carbine barrel, you're still pulling the FSB. |
| someone school me. I don't know anything about middys, other than I've made a couple caps. What gas system do they use? This talk of needing a triangle cap on a carbine system or having to pull the fsb, etc etc. I'm guessing its longer than the carbine and shorter than the rifle gas system???? |
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someone school me. I don't know anything about middys, other than I've made a couple caps. What gas system do they use? This talk of needing a triangle cap on a carbine system or having to pull the fsb, etc etc. I'm guessing its longer than the carbine and shorter than the rifle gas system???? That is exactly correct. That is why they call it a mid-length. |
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someone school me. I don't know anything about middys, other than I've made a couple caps. What gas system do they use? This talk of needing a triangle cap on a carbine system or having to pull the fsb, etc etc. I'm guessing its longer than the carbine and shorter than the rifle gas system???? the middys have their own gas system in btw carbine and rifle. carbine barrels usually have round HG caps while the rifles and middy's have triangulars. with the 607 handguards, unless you have a triangular HG cap put on when the FSB was pinned, you'll be pulling it more than likely. even with the direct drop ins with the round rears, the front still requires the triangular cap. |
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OK, so the OP's question pertained to middy's.........and if they are their own gas system, wouldn't the barrel normally be without a fsb? And if someone were buying/ordering a barrel for a middy wouldn't they be able to spec which front cap they wanted?
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someone school me. I don't know anything about middys, other than I've made a couple caps. What gas system do they use? This talk of needing a triangle cap on a carbine system or having to pull the fsb, etc etc. I'm guessing its longer than the carbine and shorter than the rifle gas system???? the middys have their own gas system in btw carbine and rifle. carbine barrels usually have round HG caps while the rifles and middy's have triangulars. with the 607 handguards, unless you have a triangular HG cap put on when the FSB was pinned, you'll be pulling it more than likely. even with the direct drop ins with the round rears, the front still requires the triangular cap. |
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OK, so the OP's question pertained to middy's.........and if they are their own gas system, wouldn't the barrel normally be without a fsb? And if someone were buying/ordering a barrel for a middy wouldn't they be able to spec which front cap they wanted? Round h/g caps belong only on a carbine barrel.. Middies and rifles use triangles . Just make the rear cap slightly bigger and you wil be making what these guys want. Before someone starts making a cheap injection plastic molding. 
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Quoted: Im still making them as a drop in application. It just takes me a little time to do it , generally 2-3 weeks. Question... If I put some effort into a "big front cap" for midlength triagnles (similar to the prototype 607 carbine in RBR) would there be enough interest? You would be able to buy the cap, and just chop down a set of triangles.. BAM!!! you got middy handgaurds.. I like it! |
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Im still making them as a drop in application. It just takes me a little time to do it , generally 2-3 weeks. Question... If I put some effort into a "big front cap" for midlength triagnles (similar to the prototype 607 carbine in RBR) would there be enough interest? You would be able to buy the cap, and just chop down a set of triangles.. BAM!!! you got middy handgaurds.. email sent with some questions. |
| I was just talking to one of our customers today about making some hand guards. He owns a plastic injection molding company and he said small runs would be no problem. He's making some rifle sites for a company right now. I was thinking of carbine length 607 style hand guards that would fit a round front cap. He could mold some mid lengths just as easily. |
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I was just talking to one of our customers today about making some hand guards. He owns a plastic injection molding company and he said small runs would be no problem. He's making some rifle sites for a company right now. I was thinking of carbine length 607 style hand guards that would fit a round front cap. He could mold some mid lengths just as easily. He may have meant that small runs would be no problem if you and/or he had the molds. Then, a small run would be no problem, as far as setting up the press. Having served my apprenticeship in a mold shop I think I can say a mold for them WOULD be a serious problem. |
| I thought of investing the $600 to pay my machine shop make a set of drawing/forming dies to go in a press and make the mid length end caps, but thats a lot of jack for something that like 5-10 guys would actually buy. If you are gonna get some molded, I would do the mid length. The TSI and other original type caps just look better to me than the molded ones. |
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He said as long as I can get something to make a mold from, or even good pics with measurements he can make a mold for them. I was planning on cutting down a triangle hand guard and modding it, then bring it it to him. What would really be nice is if they had ribs inside them, like the 'Koolguard' carbine HGs - then no heatshields would be nesc. |
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I'll have to Google those and see what they look like. He seemed pretty optimistic that we could make something work. Before you or him put a lot of effort into injection molding, consider than I am willing to front the money Brogers spoke of to have the rear caps stamped from sheetmetal. |
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I'll have to Google those and see what they look like. He seemed pretty optimistic that we could make something work. Before you or him put a lot of effort into injection molding, consider than I am willing to front the money Brogers spoke of to have the rear caps stamped from sheetmetal. That would look a lot better than molded. My main thought it making drop in hand guards for people that can't remove the FH/Mod to replace the front cap. Dawg180 made these, and seeing this pic got me thinking about having them molded. From the thread this pic is from it sounded like he was going to make more, but it never happened. 
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Dawg180 made these, and seeing this pic got me thinking about having them molded. From the thread this pic is from it sounded like he was going to make more, but it never happened. http://i41.tinypic.com/2yydy4o.jpg Ah.... About 4 years ago someone at Knob Creeks gun show stopped by my friends table and showed me those. I had some of my 607 related stuff out for display, thats what prompted the discussion.... I wonder if that was Dawg himself. Im using those M231 h/gs on my DOE and had a set of those 607 h/gs.........The gnomes in my shop hid them from me. |
| Im going to go back later this week and talk with my shop.. I have had several people offer to kick in or cover the cost of tooling for a pressed type mid length cap, and ill get back with you guys when I know more.. I have read a little about metal based high strength epoxies that are used to make molds to stamp/press and Im gonna explore that as well. |
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