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10/15/2015 7:33:23 PM EDT
The buddy of mine that's built a couple of AR-15 clones for me and the wife is encouraging me to upgrade the mil-spec trigger to improve accuracy.  I'm not unhappy about the accuracy of the rifles as we don't intend to ever engage in competition of any kind and intend to use the rifles principally for SD and HD and some target shooting.

But I'll probably drop a few bucks on a trigger just to see if there's any improvement in accuracy.   Can't hurt, right?

So, with our intentions 1) do you think we need to improve our triggers and 2), if so, where in the Devil do I go to start learning about it?

Best,

LF

P.S. I tried to see if there was a more specific sub-forum for this questions but didn't find one.  I'm sorry if I posted in the wrong forum.
10/15/2015 7:45:54 PM EDT
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Hard to beat a Geissele 2 stage for the money. Some here will say that a Rock River 2 stage is a good place to start, but having tried nearly every trigger on the market, including the new Larue MBT, I still like the Geissele SSA-E best.
10/15/2015 7:55:40 PM EDT
[#2]


You can't go wrong with Geissele triggers, but they are expensive.  SSA and SSA-E are awesome two stage triggers for over $200.

If you want a really good single stage trigger for cheap just pick up an ALG Defense ACT trigger.  They cost around $65, single stage, improved pull over the standard mil spec trigger.  Really good upgrade for the money.



10/15/2015 8:00:05 PM EDT
[#3]
If you are content with the ones that you have, you probably don't need to change. I personally like the feel of a good trigger and think it's worth the money but, that doesn't mean it's worth it to you. There are countless threads on here about triggers. It all comes down to personal preference. Get some hands on with a few triggers if at all possible. Even just dry firing can help in pointing you in the right direction.
10/15/2015 8:53:07 PM EDT
[#4]
I have a few ALG ACT triggers and they are very nice, however, I recently tried a PSA enhanced polished trigger group and find it to be just a bit lighter and a bit smoother than the ALG...and its about $30 less than the already valued-priced ALG.
10/15/2015 8:54:28 PM EDT
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Hard to beat a Geissele 2 stage for the money. Some here will say that a Rock River 2 stage is a good place to start, but having tried nearly every trigger on the market, including the new Larue MBT, I still like the Geissele SSA-E best.
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This.  The G2S is a great trigger for the money.  DO NOT let anyone do a trigger job on your stock triggers.  Just get a couple of G2S and be done with it.


10/15/2015 9:04:09 PM EDT
[#6]
if you triggers are already decent enough, get a couple sets of JP springs and be done with it.
10/15/2015 9:11:59 PM EDT
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For a HD/SD rifle, I would not mess with reduce power springs.  You want full power springs on a trigger that was designed from the factory to be smooth.

10/15/2015 9:14:31 PM EDT
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A Geissele trigger is certainly nice but do not buy any trigger until you try a Hiperfire trigger system. Find a shop or visit a gun show and take a look at one and feel it for yourself. The technology reduces trigger pull while increasing hammer force...a superb trigger system

Vince
10/15/2015 9:32:01 PM EDT
[#9]
My main rifle has a geiselle SD-C, and its perfection for me. A also have a SSA(in my wife's rifle) and an ssa-e. I like the SD-C more than either. It pulls a consistent 4.5 lbs but feels about as light as the ssa-e, which pulls a consistent 3.5
I also have the alg act, which is perfect for a basic combat trigger. It would be my second pick after the SD-C for a HD/SD/ range gun
10/15/2015 10:37:11 PM EDT
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This.  The G2S is a great trigger for the money.  DO NOT let anyone do a trigger job on your stock triggers.  Just get a couple of G2S and be done with it.


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Hard to beat a Geissele 2 stage for the money. Some here will say that a Rock River 2 stage is a good place to start, but having tried nearly every trigger on the market, including the new Larue MBT, I still like the Geissele SSA-E best.



This.  The G2S is a great trigger for the money.  DO NOT let anyone do a trigger job on your stock triggers.  Just get a couple of G2S and be done with it.




Agreed. I have a G2S, SSA, and SSA-E, and if I buy more triggers they will be $130 G2S's I catch on sale.
10/15/2015 10:45:11 PM EDT
[#11]
I just got a rise armament trigger from fat boy tactical really nice 3.5 pound pull weight.

That being said I would not use it for home defense. I would prefer to use a Geissle two stage or an ALG. Never mind lawyers, a 3.5 pound trigger just doesn't give me much confidence if something goes oof in the night.
10/15/2015 11:16:55 PM EDT
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I have a POF 4.5lb drop in and LOVE it. Super value. I may try a Velocity 4lb trigger next (also great value). I'll not spend a ton on a trigger because I will not go below 4lb in any of my rifles except my bolt actions. But the POF/Velocity/Timney drop in's may interest you.
10/15/2015 11:17:02 PM EDT
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That being said I would not use it for home defense. I would prefer to use a Geissle two stage or an ALG. Never mind lawyers, a 3.5 pound trigger just doesn't give me much confidence if something goes oof in the night.
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You should not have your finger on the trigger unless you are going to shoot something or someone.

Vince
10/16/2015 12:08:50 AM EDT
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Tactical triggers have been 6-8 pounds in combat weapons for the last 100 years. No, your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when it shouldn't be, and yet we lose a highly trained combat veteran every year in shoot house practice when he jogs left instead of right and winds up in his team mates line of fire.

No amount of money spent on a high end race gun trigger is going to prevent that. Skills are more important. Leave the triggers to those brag racing about how cool theirs' is and save your money for ammo and practice.

Come time to defend yourself with an adrenaline dump destroying your fine motor skills the GI 6-8 pound trigger won't be any obstacle. I can't tell you how many times I was "shot" in training by friendly fire - and half the time walked into it where I didn't belong.

Work out your Home Defense plans and practice them with airsoft, you'll have a fun time and the trigger budget will pay for an enormous wealth of "hm, I didn't think of that." A high speed race trigger won't get you smarter or safer.
10/16/2015 12:31:31 AM EDT
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Tactical triggers have been 6-8 pounds in combat weapons for the last 100 years. No, your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when it shouldn't be, and yet we lose a highly trained combat veteran every year in shoot house practice when he jogs left instead of right and winds up in his team mates line of fire.

No amount of money spent on a high end race gun trigger is going to prevent that. Skills are more important. Leave the triggers to those brag racing about how cool theirs' is and save your money for ammo and practice.

Come time to defend yourself with an adrenaline dump destroying your fine motor skills the GI 6-8 pound trigger won't be any obstacle. I can't tell you how many times I was "shot" in training by friendly fire - and half the time walked into it where I didn't belong.

Work out your Home Defense plans and practice them with airsoft, you'll have a fun time and the trigger budget will pay for an enormous wealth of "hm, I didn't think of that." A high speed race trigger won't get you smarter or safer.
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Agreed. However many of us multi purpose our rifles. Wanting a crisp good trigger for the "other" uses (non combat/HD) is a common (and warranted) desire. We're not all clearing rooms here bud. Some of us just like a happy medium of "other" and "HD" ability.
10/16/2015 7:27:55 AM EDT
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The buddy of mine that's built a couple of AR-15 clones for me and the wife is encouraging me to upgrade the mil-spec trigger to improve accuracy.  I'm not unhappy about the accuracy of the rifles as we don't intend to ever engage in competition of any kind and intend to use the rifles principally for SD and HD and some target shooting.

But I'll probably drop a few bucks on a trigger just to see if there's any improvement in accuracy.   Can't hurt, right?

So, with our intentions 1) do you think we need to improve our triggers and 2), if so, where in the Devil do I go to start learning about it?

Best,

LF

P.S. I tried to see if there was a more specific sub-forum for this questions but didn't find one.  I'm sorry if I posted in the wrong forum.
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Not quite sure what "..a few bucks on trigger" means, so you need to decide will it be less than 100 bux, or 300 bux, or somewhere in between.  Next decision would be single-stage (like the std AR15 trigger) or two-stage trigger.

Many members here drink the Geissele cool-aid (2-stage) just like me drinking the JP cool-aid (single stage) . Both cool-aid flavors will set you back more than 100 bux and either would be a fantastic upgrade to the suckie stock trigger.  The 2-stage RRA is a bit cheaper (80 bux or so) and is a good serviceable unit.  I am checking out the new Ruger 452 2 stage (100 bux) and so far, it is ok, nothing to write home about or any better than the RRA or Armalite 2-stage triggers.  One thing for sure about this upgrade, once you put an aftermarket trigger in, you won't go back to the standard trigger.  Good luck in your quest, the road ahead is full of fun stuff to buy
10/16/2015 8:05:33 AM EDT
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Everyone is going to try to point you to Geissele.   Don't get me wrong, the Geissele is a fine trigger but for the money spent, there is no better trigger than the RRA Two Stage.  I have several of both triggers and there is zero difference between the $200 Geissele and the $90 RRA two stage.  There are some here will give you the internet hype that the RRA will break on you.  I have two that have 10's of thousands of rounds behind them and they have only gotten better with age.
10/16/2015 10:07:57 AM EDT
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I think all the triggers mentioned here are fine triggers but if you are used to a mil spec trigger and don't mind the pull weight, I don't think you can do any better than the PSA enhanced trigger for $35.  You keep right around the same pull weight you have now but there is no gritty feel.  It is a smooth trigger and very hard to beat for the cost.  I have a 4lb Velocity trigger ($120) and a 3.5lb CMC ($145).  I like both triggers but they are more suited for my precision rifles but this is just my opinion.  If you are wanting something with a lighter trigger pull, get one of the triggers already mentioned in the posts above.
10/16/2015 10:13:47 AM EDT
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Wow.  Thanks guys.  Lots of great recommendations here.  But please allow me to ask two simple questions.

Given my intended use of the rifles (SD, HD) isn't a single stage trigger better than a two stage trigger?

Also, I've read that some hammer springs on some triggers aren't full-strength and that, as a result, won't reliably fire some ammunition.  M855 seems problematic in this regard and that ammunition is definitely going to be in my ammo collection.

But when reading about triggers the descriptions of only some indicate that the hammer spring is not full-strength.  So, It's not easy to categorize them.

Is there a secret to deciphering the marketing materials to know which have full-strength hammer springs or not?

Best,

LF
10/16/2015 10:18:46 AM EDT
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Oh, one more question, if you have time.

With my existing trigger I notice that with the first round from the magazine and after manually charging the weapon the trigger seems to have plenty of slack.  It's pretty much what I experienced in the service.  So, it doesn't bother me.

But with subsequent rounds which are automatically fed the slack all but disappears on my rifle.  I don't see the same thing on my wife's rifle; i.e., the slack is the same whether manually fed or automatically cycled.  And, the slack is lots less on hers.

These are both frankenguns, with PSA lowers.  So, I don't think they have any special triggers.

I find it strange that the slack would disappear when the round is auto-fed and would appreciate any insights you buy may have on what the difference is.

Best,

LF
10/16/2015 11:24:59 AM EDT
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10/16/2015 11:28:37 AM EDT
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Most of my ARs have SSA or SSA-E FCGs in them.
Geissele has a video on selecting their triggers that will help you pick out the one with the characteristics you favor.
There are other good triggers and I have seen a couple of trigger comparison articles on the web.
10/16/2015 11:32:19 AM EDT
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Wow.  Thanks guys.  Lots of great recommendations here.  But please allow me to ask two simple questions.

Given my intended use of the rifles (SD, HD) isn't a single stage trigger better than a two stage trigger?

Also, I've read that some hammer springs on some triggers aren't full-strength and that, as a result, won't reliably fire some ammunition.  M855 seems problematic in this regard and that ammunition is definitely going to be in my ammo collection.

But when reading about triggers the descriptions of only some indicate that the hammer spring is not full-strength.  So, It's not easy to categorize them.

Is there a secret to deciphering the marketing materials to know which have full-strength hammer springs or not?

Best,

LF
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No, either one would be just as functional in SD/HD situation.  Reliability comes first rather than how each type functions.  With that in mind, never put lightweight/reduced weight springs in your trigger group when your intended purpose for the rifle is SD/HD regardless of 2-stage or single-stage. I've had light primer strikes in my JP when shooting some mil surp stuff, including XM193.

No it isn't a secret since most aftermarket trigger come with full on springs, even the JP it comes with 2 grades, yellow (3.5 lb) and red (4.5 lb).  You can also use your std trigger springs in the aftermarket triggers.

Now with that said, the Hiperfire 24C is the only trigger unit that I know of that has a full on hammer spring but through other assist springs, the pull weight is barely 2.5 - 4.5 lb depending on which assist springs you put on.  I am using 2 of them now for long term try out, one on my match 223 and the other on 308.  So far no failures of any kinds in both rifles (approx 1000 rds each).  Can't say that about the Timney 308, it failed 10% of the time to light off PPU 168 gr Match

10/16/2015 1:24:39 PM EDT
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I know it's only money but.

If you're confident and well versed with how a standard trigger performs I wouldn't screw around with any springs, or improved mil spec. Go big so you can actually tell the difference or don't do it at all. I'm currently using the cmc flat 3.5 single and love it. Giessle  or hiperfire would be my suggestion, if you don't like it. Sell it on ee or a fb group. I don't think playing the middle field will net you any real improvement.
10/16/2015 1:43:26 PM EDT
[#25]
From my experience/triggers I own.

Alg-better than standard
SSA, SSA-E, LaRue MBT-all fantastic triggers.

I don't really have a favorite as they are all on different rifle setups. (sbr,16middy, 18-spr) I like the trigger face on the MBT better for precision shooting, but they are all WAY better than any stock trigger out there. It's the first upgrade I do on any gun now.
10/16/2015 4:51:37 PM EDT
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No, either one would be just as functional in SD/HD situation.  Reliability comes first rather than how each type functions.  With that in mind, never put lightweight/reduced weight springs in your trigger group when your intended purpose for the rifle is SD/HD regardless of 2-stage or single-stage. I've had light primer strikes in my JP when shooting some mil surp stuff, including XM193.

No it isn't a secret since most aftermarket trigger come with full on springs, even the JP it comes with 2 grades, yellow (3.5 lb) and red (4.5 lb).  You can also use your std trigger springs in the aftermarket triggers.

Now with that said, the Hiperfire 24C is the only trigger unit that I know of that has a full on hammer spring but through other assist springs, the pull weight is barely 2.5 - 4.5 lb depending on which assist springs you put on.  I am using 2 of them now for long term try out, one on my match 223 and the other on 308.  So far no failures of any kinds in both rifles (approx 1000 rds each).  Can't say that about the Timney 308, it failed 10% of the time to light off PPU 168 gr Match

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Wow.  Thanks guys.  Lots of great recommendations here.  But please allow me to ask two simple questions.

Given my intended use of the rifles (SD, HD) isn't a single stage trigger better than a two stage trigger?

Also, I've read that some hammer springs on some triggers aren't full-strength and that, as a result, won't reliably fire some ammunition.  M855 seems problematic in this regard and that ammunition is definitely going to be in my ammo collection.

But when reading about triggers the descriptions of only some indicate that the hammer spring is not full-strength.  So, It's not easy to categorize them.

Is there a secret to deciphering the marketing materials to know which have full-strength hammer springs or not?

Best,

LF


No, either one would be just as functional in SD/HD situation.  Reliability comes first rather than how each type functions.  With that in mind, never put lightweight/reduced weight springs in your trigger group when your intended purpose for the rifle is SD/HD regardless of 2-stage or single-stage. I've had light primer strikes in my JP when shooting some mil surp stuff, including XM193.

No it isn't a secret since most aftermarket trigger come with full on springs, even the JP it comes with 2 grades, yellow (3.5 lb) and red (4.5 lb).  You can also use your std trigger springs in the aftermarket triggers.

Now with that said, the Hiperfire 24C is the only trigger unit that I know of that has a full on hammer spring but through other assist springs, the pull weight is barely 2.5 - 4.5 lb depending on which assist springs you put on.  I am using 2 of them now for long term try out, one on my match 223 and the other on 308.  So far no failures of any kinds in both rifles (approx 1000 rds each).  Can't say that about the Timney 308, it failed 10% of the time to light off PPU 168 gr Match



All the Giessle triggers use full power springs and also give a 4.5lb pull.  approx 2lb first stage and 2.5lb second stage.  It's repeatable and reliable.

I had a RRA 2 stage that the  1st stage all but disappeared.  So it ended up being more like a single stage with a 4-4.5lb second stage.  I have owned both and my RRA was replaced with a Giessle SSA.

10/16/2015 4:59:13 PM EDT
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Everyone is going to try to point you to Geissele. Don't get me wrong, the Geissele is a fine trigger but for the money spent, there is no better trigger than the RRA Two Stage. I have several of both triggers and there is zero difference between the $200 Geissele and the $90 RRA two stage. There are some here will give you the internet hype that the RRA will break on you. I have two that have 10's of thousands of rounds behind them and they have only gotten better with age.
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I disagree.  I have multiple RRA's and a couple Geissele's.  The Geissele's seem to be more consistent.  My best RRA is about on par with the Geissele's.  My worst ones are still decent but have a little creep in them.



For a two stage on a budget I recommend the RRA 2 stage Varmint 3.5lb model for $79 delivered.



For a good single stage on a budget it's hard to beat the Blue triggers at fatboytactical.  They are debadged Black Rain Ordinance DIT triggers that I believe are manufacturd by Rise Armament.  For $96 delivered they feel great.
10/17/2015 12:09:01 PM EDT
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I also own 2 RRA carbines and while they have nice triggers imo they do not compare to the Geissele triggers I own. The NM, SSA SDE and SSA-E which is my favorite. All my other AR's (308's and 556's) have Geissele triggers in them as well as both my SCAR's (16S and 17S) and my HK MR556 and MR762. Are they expensive, you be.t but worth every cent they cost.
10/17/2015 12:09:44 PM EDT
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I also own 2 RRA carbines and while they have nice triggers imo they do not compare to the Geissele triggers I own. The NM, SSA SDE and SSA-E which is my favorite. All my other AR's (308's and 556's) have Geissele triggers in them as well as both my SCAR's (16S and 17S) and my HK MR556 and MR762. Are they expensive, you be.t but worth every cent they cost.
10/17/2015 12:11:11 PM EDT
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The buddy of mine that's built a couple of AR-15 clones for me and the wife is encouraging me to upgrade the mil-spec trigger to improve accuracy.  I'm not unhappy about the accuracy of the rifles as we don't intend to ever engage in competition of any kind and intend to use the rifles principally for SD and HD and some target shooting.

But I'll probably drop a few bucks on a trigger just to see if there's any improvement in accuracy.   Can't hurt, right?

So, with our intentions 1) do you think we need to improve our triggers and 2), if so, where in the Devil do I go to start learning about it?

Best,

LF

P.S. I tried to see if there was a more specific sub-forum for this questions but didn't find one.  I'm sorry if I posted in the wrong forum.
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OP, my tool room guys (and gal) just informed me they reached for the 1,000th S7 tool steel plate used to make our MBT triggers with.  Six (6) triggers come from each billet plate = 6,000 MBT triggers. I can't be sure which one is the 6,000th, but I'll be glad to drag one off the line and send it to you for review.  Call it an early Christmas ... for us both.

Copy and email this post with an address to mark (at) LaRue (dot) com.

10/17/2015 12:22:13 PM EDT
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OP, my tool room guys (and gal) just informed me they reached for the 1,000th S7 tool steel plate used to make our MBT triggers with.  Six (6) triggers come from each billet plate = 6,000 MBT triggers. I can't be sure which one is the 6,000th, but I'll be glad to drag one off the line and send it to you for review.  Call it an early Christmas ... for us both.

Copy and email this post with an address to mark (at) LaRue (dot) com.

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The buddy of mine that's built a couple of AR-15 clones for me and the wife is encouraging me to upgrade the mil-spec trigger to improve accuracy.  I'm not unhappy about the accuracy of the rifles as we don't intend to ever engage in competition of any kind and intend to use the rifles principally for SD and HD and some target shooting.

But I'll probably drop a few bucks on a trigger just to see if there's any improvement in accuracy.   Can't hurt, right?

So, with our intentions 1) do you think we need to improve our triggers and 2), if so, where in the Devil do I go to start learning about it?

Best,

LF

P.S. I tried to see if there was a more specific sub-forum for this questions but didn't find one.  I'm sorry if I posted in the wrong forum.


OP, my tool room guys (and gal) just informed me they reached for the 1,000th S7 tool steel plate used to make our MBT triggers with.  Six (6) triggers come from each billet plate = 6,000 MBT triggers. I can't be sure which one is the 6,000th, but I'll be glad to drag one off the line and send it to you for review.  Call it an early Christmas ... for us both.

Copy and email this post with an address to mark (at) LaRue (dot) com.





Wow.  There you go.  Problem solved.  

OP, if you don't hurry and send him your info, I'm going to send him mine.  
10/17/2015 12:44:48 PM EDT
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Haha, so cool! Mark, you're the shit! OP, you're one lucky SOB!
10/17/2015 1:13:21 PM EDT
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All the Giessle triggers use full power springs and also give a 4.5lb pull.  approx 2lb first stage and 2.5lb second stage.  It's repeatable and reliable.

I had a RRA 2 stage that the  1st stage all but disappeared.  So it ended up being more like a single stage with a 4-4.5lb second stage.  I have owned both and my RRA was replaced with a Giessle SSA.

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Wow.  Thanks guys.  Lots of great recommendations here.  But please allow me to ask two simple questions.

Given my intended use of the rifles (SD, HD) isn't a single stage trigger better than a two stage trigger?

Also, I've read that some hammer springs on some triggers aren't full-strength and that, as a result, won't reliably fire some ammunition.  M855 seems problematic in this regard and that ammunition is definitely going to be in my ammo collection.

But when reading about triggers the descriptions of only some indicate that the hammer spring is not full-strength.  So, It's not easy to categorize them.

Is there a secret to deciphering the marketing materials to know which have full-strength hammer springs or not?

Best,

LF


No, either one would be just as functional in SD/HD situation.  Reliability comes first rather than how each type functions.  With that in mind, never put lightweight/reduced weight springs in your trigger group when your intended purpose for the rifle is SD/HD regardless of 2-stage or single-stage. I've had light primer strikes in my JP when shooting some mil surp stuff, including XM193.

No it isn't a secret since most aftermarket trigger come with full on springs, even the JP it comes with 2 grades, yellow (3.5 lb) and red (4.5 lb).  You can also use your std trigger springs in the aftermarket triggers.

Now with that said, the Hiperfire 24C is the only trigger unit that I know of that has a full on hammer spring but through other assist springs, the pull weight is barely 2.5 - 4.5 lb depending on which assist springs you put on.  I am using 2 of them now for long term try out, one on my match 223 and the other on 308.  So far no failures of any kinds in both rifles (approx 1000 rds each).  Can't say that about the Timney 308, it failed 10% of the time to light off PPU 168 gr Match



All the Giessle triggers use full power springs and also give a 4.5lb pull.  approx 2lb first stage and 2.5lb second stage.  It's repeatable and reliable.

I had a RRA 2 stage that the  1st stage all but disappeared.  So it ended up being more like a single stage with a 4-4.5lb second stage.  I have owned both and my RRA was replaced with a Giessle SSA.



Half right.  Full power springs, yes.  Right for SSA on stage weights.  But SSA-E has 2.3 lb first stage and 1.2 lb. second stage for total 3.5 lb. pull through.

The E is a fantastic precision trigger that can also be used safely for other purposes.  I have one and love it.  That 1.2 lb. second stage is fantastic for target shooting.  

However I would recommend the regular SSA for people generally happy with a milspec trigger but want to shoot with a lighter, smoother break for general purpose that involves some target shooting for groups.
10/17/2015 1:39:53 PM EDT
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My Sig m400 pistol trigger broke at a gritty 7.5 lbs. I replaced it with an ALG ACT and the pull immediately dropped to a clean 5.25 lbs. SUPER noticeable difference.

I have had some mil spec triggers close to that smooth, but the ACT is a guaranteed good trigger.
10/17/2015 2:31:13 PM EDT
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I know it's only money but.

If you're confident and well versed with how a standard trigger performs I wouldn't screw around with any springs, or improved mil spec. Go big so you can actually tell the difference or don't do it at all. I'm currently using the cmc flat 3.5 single and love it. Geissele  or hiperfire Wilson TTUwould be my suggestion, if you don't like it. Sell it on ee or a fb group. I don't think playing the middle field will net you any real improvement.
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10/17/2015 7:17:34 PM EDT
[#36]
Well, I certainly responded to Mark's offer, see below:

Dear Mark:

I’m longfisher, the OP on the thread on AR15.com where I asked for guidance on a trigger upgrade.  To validate my identity, please see my e-mail address ([email protected]).  By way of explanation, I and my family do a bit of offshore fishing, particularly kingfish.

I’m impressed with both your offer and your generosity.  I’ll very humbly and, if course, gladly accept your offer.

My contact information is below:

David *. *********
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*******, TX  *******
***********

I’m not sure I’m well-qualified to review triggers, but, I’ll be completely delighted to give it a try.

Best,

David

“OP, my tool room guys (and gal) just informed me they reached for the 1,000th S7 tool steel plate used to make our MBT triggers with. Six (6) triggers come from each billet plate = 6,000 MBT triggers. I can't be sure which one is the 6,000th, but I'll be glad to drag one off the line and send it to you for review. Call it an early Christmas ... for us both.  

Copy and email this post with an address to mark (at) LaRue (dot) com.”

10/17/2015 7:30:57 PM EDT
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Well, I certainly responded to Mark's offer, see below:



Dear Mark:



I’m longfisher, the OP on the thread on AR15.com where I asked for guidance on a trigger upgrade.  To validate my identity, please see my e-mail address ([email protected]).  By way of explanation, I and my family do a bit of offshore fishing, particularly kingfish.



I’m impressed with both your offer and your generosity.  I’ll very humbly and, if course, gladly accept your offer.



My contact information is below:



David *. *********

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*******, TX  *******

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I’m not sure I’m well-qualified to review triggers, but, I’ll be completely delighted to give it a try.



Best,



David



"OP, my tool room guys (and gal) just informed me they reached for the 1,000th S7 tool steel plate used to make our MBT triggers with. Six (6) triggers come from each billet plate = 6,000 MBT triggers. I can't be sure which one is the 6,000th, but I'll be glad to drag one off the line and send it to you for review. Call it an early Christmas ... for us both.  



Copy and email this post with an address to mark (at) LaRue (dot) com.”



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I think you'll be quite pleased with the MBT.




You're about to get an education on what a good trigger feels like.




Enjoy.




Kudos to Mr. LaRue.






10/17/2015 7:33:39 PM EDT
[#38]
And, Mark responded immediately:

"John, send an MBT to David in Spring ... no-charge, on the house.

ML

Sent from my iPhone"

Ummm.  For once in my life I simply don't know what to say.

Best,

LF
10/17/2015 7:54:55 PM EDT
[#39]
This is one of the coolest things I have seen in a while, and certainly has me checking out the MBT for my own (MP15 Sport)!
10/17/2015 10:17:10 PM EDT
[#40]
A couple years back was doing the same research.  Initially picked up a NiB mil spec trigger from Spike's but after watching many reviews and reading up on forums...I cant say that I ever found a bad review on  Geiselle FCG's so bit the bullet and grabbed their SSA-E and couldn't be happier.  

Planning a pistol build and am considering the Hiperfire to change things up and experience something different.

Anyhow, I would recommend the Geiselle SSA or SSA-E
10/17/2015 10:21:57 PM EDT
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I have a POF 4.5lb drop in and LOVE it. Super value. I may try a Velocity 4lb trigger next (also great value). I'll not spend a ton on a trigger because I will not go below 4lb in any of my rifles except my bolt actions. But the POF/Velocity/Timney drop in's may interest you.
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I have the POF in 1 AR & the Timney's in 2 others. All 4.5lb.  I'm very happy. Quicker lighter trigger pull, but still plenty safe for HD/SD use.
10/17/2015 11:58:01 PM EDT
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Had the pleasure of using my MBT earlier today.  I shot kind of shitty,.....unfortunately I can blame none of that on the more than excellent trigger

Congrats OP, I believe Marks' trigger to be one of the finest on the market.
10/18/2015 8:55:26 AM EDT
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Had the pleasure of using my MBT earlier today.  I shot kind of shitty,.....unfortunately I can blame none of that on the more than excellent trigger

Congrats OP, I believe Marks' trigger to be one of the finest on the market.
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Thanks, we make them very meticulously.
10/18/2015 12:35:51 PM EDT
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A man I work with bought a LaRue rifle recently.
Very meticulous for the whole weapon works for me.
10/18/2015 1:03:12 PM EDT
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Had the pleasure of using my MBT earlier today.  I shot kind of shitty,.....unfortunately I can blame none of that on the more than excellent trigger

Congrats OP, I believe Marks' trigger to be one of the finest on the market.


Thanks, we make them very meticulously.


Yeah that was pretty cool what you did there and really hope the OP fully in joys it ..



Oh I know I will never be able to afford it cause I am still trying to come up with money for my first build but are you looking to adopt cause I need a trigger lol..
I know I am little old but my wife says free to a good home ..


10/18/2015 2:34:28 PM EDT
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Yeah that was pretty cool what you did there and really hope the OP fully in joys it ..



Oh I know I will never be able to afford it cause I am still trying to come up with money for my first build but are you looking to adopt cause I need a trigger lol..
I know I am little old but my wife says free to a good home ..


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Had the pleasure of using my MBT earlier today.  I shot kind of shitty,.....unfortunately I can blame none of that on the more than excellent trigger

Congrats OP, I believe Marks' trigger to be one of the finest on the market.


Thanks, we make them very meticulously.


Yeah that was pretty cool what you did there and really hope the OP fully in joys it ..



Oh I know I will never be able to afford it cause I am still trying to come up with money for my first build but are you looking to adopt cause I need a trigger lol..
I know I am little old but my wife says free to a good home ..




They don't even let you have nice triggers in New Jersey, get back in the line.
10/18/2015 2:39:12 PM EDT
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They don't even let you have nice triggers in New Jersey, get back in the line.
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Had the pleasure of using my MBT earlier today.  I shot kind of shitty,.....unfortunately I can blame none of that on the more than excellent trigger

Congrats OP, I believe Marks' trigger to be one of the finest on the market.


Thanks, we make them very meticulously.


Yeah that was pretty cool what you did there and really hope the OP fully in joys it ..



Oh I know I will never be able to afford it cause I am still trying to come up with money for my first build but are you looking to adopt cause I need a trigger lol..
I know I am little old but my wife says free to a good home ..




They don't even let you have nice triggers in New Jersey, get back in the line.

I know ,I know but I am stuck here till I get custody of my son..
10/20/2015 5:50:44 PM EDT
[#48]
The trigger Mark promised showed up today (free) and it's not just the trigger that LaRue Tactical sends a purchaser.  It's really a very surprisingly complete package full of goodies and even funnies too.

I've purchased a lot of stuff via the Internet.  And, many of the items come with a few stickers and stuff like that.  But you've gotta see what Mark's outfit sends with his products.  It's amazing and not very much unlike Xmas to open one of his packages.

I've got to go out of town for the rest of the week starting tomorrow (but my German Shepherd and my AR-15 toting wife will remain beihind, in case any internet nut wants to meet and greet in my absence).  But when I return I'll take a pic a post it of all the great (and whimsical) stuff that accompanied the trigger.

I think Mark knows how to, well, make his mark on a customer's memory.

I'll try to install the trigger over the weekend and get to the range when I can.   But coastal Texas where I live is expecting the Mother of all nearly tropical systems to come ashore tomorrow and drop a ton of much-needed rain on us.  It'll probably swamp out the outdoor ranges where I shoot.

BTW, I promised to "review" the trigger's performance.  And, I can't think of a better place to do so than here.  But I'll admit to not having much of an idea as to how to set up a comparison with my old, milspec trigger.  So, any suggestions would be appreciated.

As always, you guys are the greatest.

Best,

LF
10/20/2015 8:23:41 PM EDT
[#49]
I don't think he's expecting a magazine article. After you get the trigger installed, dry fire it a bit and write down your impression of how it feels. Take it out to the range and note how the trigger feels during actual live fire: consistency of pull, how smooth it is, how positive the reset is, how crisp the break is... Just your over all impression of the trigger compared to what you are used to. Don't forget, everyone loves pictures. Then go out and buy one for your wife's rifle. After Mark was nice enough to give you the first one, I'd say you owe it to him to spend the money on a second. I haven't tried an MBT but, I hear nothing but good things and will certainly be giving one a shot when the disease rears it's head and I start build #5.  

BTW - WAY cool of you, Mark.

edit: My wife has an AR-15 and a German Shepherd too.
10/20/2015 8:26:34 PM EDT
[#50]
Yep.  The wife is gonna get one, I'm sure.

Best,

LF
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