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Posted: 2/3/2008 8:39:08 AM EDT
| I am looking for a match trigger and have narrowed it down to the Timney or Geissele. When I shoot I look for anything that can give the slightest benefit at narrowing my groups, kind of like a benchrest shooter. Which would you guys recommend? Is there much difference between the two other than they are different stage triggers? I have never shot a 2 stage but am willing to try if it help me out in the long run. Seems the Geissele has better lock time and the trigger is moved an 1/8" forward for my big hands, but is it really worth the money for my application? |
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They're both good in my experience. My Timney fires the gun if I move it one nanohair, while the Geissele, being a two stage, has a take up 1st stage, and then fires the gun if I move it at all when it's at the second stage. Some with more experience than I might better expound on the subject, but I really think a lot of the difference in an operator's appreciation of single stage versus two stage triggers is psychological. The two stage gives you a little "prep" phase; e.g., "Are you really ready?" The only thing I know about that's called a hammer block is something that allows you to, with the upper receiver removed, work the trigger action without letting the hammer pound on the bolt catch or the receiver. You can buy them or make your own custom job:   ETA - Now I'll go read the Geissele instructions and see if there's something else called a hammer block. |
Same agreement, it really depends. Sounds to me like you have little to no experience with a two stage trigger. Maybe you should try a two stage first, but the Geissele is the best two stage I have ever fired period. An amazing trigger. Bill |
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Is it hard to get used to a 2 stage trigger? I'm all about accuracy and am leaning towards the Geissele but if I'm not really gonna gain anything over the Timney I don't want to waste the money. Plus I see at Rainier Arms they have all three spring set for the G when you buy it. |
I just made the same decision, as I was looking for some new triggers for my ARs. I went with the Geissele High Speed trigger mainly because when I searched for info on all of the single stage match triggers out there (CMC, Timney, Jewell, etc) there seemed to be people having issues with doubling. Most of the single stage match triggers out there are in the 2.5-3.5lb range, which is very nice. I have my Geissele triggers adjusted for a 2lb 1st stage and a 1lb 2nd stage and I like it alot. In essence the "pull" that actually fires the round is only 1lb. |
No. I have the two stage in my DCM Service Rifle and we shoot out to 600 yards and hit the target. I have a JP breaking at 2.5 lbs in a Bushy Varminter. Like the both, but personally I'd go with the Geissele, I have a couple of 2 stages in AR's and also one is in my M1A. I'm use to them. BTW, I have two JP Hammer/Trigger combos so I like them as well. Good Luck, either way is MUCH better than a stock trigger for target work. Bill |
Do you have BR shooting experience? If so I would recommend the Timney. As a single stage 3# trigger it and a few others are about as close to a bench trigger as you can get for an AR. I use only Timney and JP triggers for target shooting. Both have a very light and crisp break with no creep. If you are newer to target shooting then I would advise trying both before spending hard earned money. Some people prefer to feel the take-up in the first stage and know that the next bit of pressure will break the hammer. I use a KAC 2-stage for varmint and tactical because it gives me the extra time to think in high pressure situations where breathing and trigger pull tend to fall second to target aquisition. |
Most of the info on doubling problems are from old articles. I have been using these triggers long enough to know that it did happen at one time, but CMC and Timney have both corrected these issues. I began using anti-rotational trigger and hammer pins when the Gen-1 triggers were out and continue to do so because I feel it helps add stability to the modular drop-in units. In the last two years I haven't had any problems at all and absolutely no creep or movement at all in the triggers. |
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