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Posted: 3/25/2012 7:09:54 AM EDT
| What are the pros and cons of a single stage trigger? Ive read they are for competition only and not safe on a dual purpose combat/match rifle? Why is that. Im upgrading the trigger in my ACR and Ill be using it in matches as well as my SHTF/camping rifle but I want the most reliable but fastest trigger I can get for it. The specific trigger Im looking at is the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger. |
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I think the biggest thing here is that it all depends on your skill level and personal preference as to what would be "best" but the rule
of thumb is that in a stressed combat situation a two stage trigger can have a lighter second stage and still be safe because the first stage is still heavy enough, while a single stage that is very light runs the risk of accidental discharge and poor marksmanship. Again I think it comes down to experience and personal preference in your situation. |
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Combat rifle = pull trigger/ Bang! Competition= Depends Personally I like single stage triggers only... Lots of guys like 2 stage triggers though. Shoot them both and decide. Geissele is a good brand as many people swear by them So is there a reliability issue with them? Could you explain a little bit what it might be? Quoted:
I think the biggest thing here is that it all depends on your skill level and personal preference as to what would be "best" but the rule of thumb is that in a stressed combat situation a two stage trigger can have a lighter second stage and still be safe because the first stage is still heavy enough, while a single stage that is very light runs the risk of accidental discharge and poor marksmanship. Again I think it comes down to experience and personal preference in your situation. Well I've never tried a single stage trigger on an AR because I never wanted to train with something the army wouldn’t give me. That’s not an issue anymore and my skill level seems to be better than almost anybody I’ve shot with and my trigger speed and shot placement is the same. I’ve also never had a negligent discharge and I’m not likely to ever have one because it’s too much of a habit to never touch the trigger and transition from safe to unsafe. My other AR has about 15k in it just in drills which I know a lot of people can say that but I’m only 26 and the rifle itself is only 3 years old but I’ve been shooting ARs for 10years. I am bragging lol because I think that many round and no NDs is something to be proud of. Anyways Since I’ve never had one I don’t have a personal preference lol and I think my trigger time and skill level is high enough that my trigger is definitely holding me back. Is the trigger unsafe for most people because of inadequate trigger discipline or because it’s mechanically unstable? Like can it release if you fall or drop the rifle? |
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Well I've never tried a single stage trigger on an AR because I never wanted to train with something the army wouldn’t give me. One minor correction here the army uses a single stage trigger It just happens to have a lot of creep. ok then, Ive never used anything other than what my rifles have come with or were issued with. 
But what about these reliability issues? |
| The Army uses single stage triggers because they are simple, don't involve a lot of parts, are reliable and because they are heavy. A single stage AR trigger is not like a single stage tuned 1911 trigger. Two stage triggers are considered the "target" triggers in the AR world, as after the initial takeup, there is far less trigger travel to release the hammer. |
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The Army uses single stage triggers because they are simple, don't involve a lot of parts, are reliable and because they are heavy. A single stage AR trigger is not like a single stage tuned 1911 trigger. Two stage triggers are considered the "target" triggers in the AR world, as after the initial takeup, there is far less trigger travel to release the hammer. ok, so what would the faster, lighter trigger be? the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger which I believe is single stage, or the SSA-E trigger of theres? |
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The Army uses single stage triggers because they are simple, don't involve a lot of parts, are reliable and because they are heavy. A single stage AR trigger is not like a single stage tuned 1911 trigger. Two stage triggers are considered the "target" triggers in the AR world, as after the initial takeup, there is far less trigger travel to release the hammer. ok, so what would the faster, lighter trigger be? the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger which I believe is single stage, or the SSA-E trigger of theres? Those are both 2 stage triggers. "Fast" would be a light Timney drop-in 3lb single stage. The single stage is "fast" because there is no take-up in the trigger, only come creep. The fine, small edges involved in light, crisp, miniscule-creep single stage triggers do not lend themselves to durability (everything wears, but these triggers have less material). Think of this as trying to stand 5 playing cards on their edge on a table (in the case of the Timney) and standing a whole deck inside the box on edge (in the case of the standard issue trigger). There's a reason the Fine tuned single stage triggers come pre-assembled in convenient drop-in modules and not a bag of parts. I have Armalite tactical 2 stage triggers in my guns. They are not "fine tuned" triggers by any means, but they are beefy, reliable triggers. In my previous post, I should have stated "standard issue single stage triggers" have those features. |
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The Army uses single stage triggers because they are simple, don't involve a lot of parts, are reliable and because they are heavy. A single stage AR trigger is not like a single stage tuned 1911 trigger. Two stage triggers are considered the "target" triggers in the AR world, as after the initial takeup, there is far less trigger travel to release the hammer. ok, so what would the faster, lighter trigger be? the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger which I believe is single stage, or the SSA-E trigger of theres? Those are both 2 stage triggers. "Fast" would be a light Timney drop-in 3lb single stage. The single stage is "fast" because there is no take-up in the trigger, only come creep. The fine, small edges involved in light, crisp, miniscule-creep single stage triggers do not lend themselves to durability (everything wears, but these triggers have less material). Think of this as trying to stand 5 playing cards on their edge on a table (in the case of the Timney) and standing a whole deck inside the box on edge (in the case of the standard issue trigger). There's a reason the Fine tuned single stage triggers come pre-assembled in convenient drop-in modules and not a bag of parts. I have Armalite tactical 2 stage triggers in my guns. They are not "fine tuned" triggers by any means, but they are beefy, reliable triggers. In my previous post, I should have stated "standard issue single stage triggers" have those features. Between those two Geisselle choices..... the 3 gun Geisselle is about as close to a legal automatic as you'll find. Light trigger and an extremely fast reset. Not for the untrained shooter in an adrenaline rush situation. |
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