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Posted: 6/8/2010 6:01:10 PM EDT
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How come I never hear about the 42mm Reflex? Is it new, or whats the deal? I've been doing the research and it seems like this would be a better option than an aimpoint, (no batteries), plus it's comparably priced or even cheaper than a Comp M-3/M4.
I looked through the M-3/M4 recently and a Reflex, and it just seems much faster picking up on target than the Aimpoint., much bigger field of view, etc. I was leaning towards an M-4 until I actually compared it to a Reflex, and no batteries seems the way to go. Would like pics and feedback from any reflex users out there. Thanks a lot. |
| I actually picked one up for $200 from a soldier that just returned home; RX30-23. He knew it was worth a lot more, even stated in the craigslist add that he bought it for over $600, but needed to sell a bunch of stuff to buy a new transmission. Wasn't going to say no. I was surprised how big it is. It is built very solid and the 6.5 MOA amber dot is nice. I wanted a red dot for my .410 upper and was going to buy the smaller 24 model until I ran across the add last night. Living on Fort Hood, I couldn't believe he didn't have a buddy that would have bought it for that price. Taking it to the ranch tomorrow so I will report back. |
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I've owned/used the RX30 and IMHO it (and the new RX34) is the best KISS optic currently available w/no batteries, switches, electronics or adjustments to worry about. Compared to the earlier Reflex models the tritium is bright, the fiber optics are more efficient and the FOV through the 42mm objective is huge.
Reticle washout is still possible but it's harder to achieve and in bright daylight the dot blazes which can be reduced by a little electricians tape over the fiber optics. The RX30's 6.5moa dot is doable out to 200m but I prefer the RX34's 4.5moa dot. Great optic if you're willing to accept the risk of reticle washout (like looking from a darkened room out a window into bright daylight or when using a taclight at night at close range). HTH... Tomac |
| I have a reflex, a comp M4s and an EO 552. I like the reflex and have it on the carry handle of my home defense AR. The EO sits in front of a PVS 14 on my night pig gun. The M4 is a recent addition and is currently on a 10/22 until I decide what I like better on my pig gun. The reflex is fast and doesn't need batteries as others have said. The big downside of the reflex is that in 12 years, the tritium will only be half as bright as it is now and the cost of having the tritium replaced is nearly the cost of a new sight. (I'm not just pulling that out of my butt, I called trijicon and that's what the guy told me) The comp M4 will probably be on it's third set of batteries by then. |
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For 50 to 75 yards I would say this is an excellent site! Even out to 200 yards.
The thing I like about this site is that I never need to look for the dot - it is always there in my field of view with the rifle. For myself, ACOG 4x is too much for less than 100 yards. |
| An agog ta33 3x is what I have been running for some time now. I'm interested in what will come out of this weekend's shoot, whether or not the RX-30 will end up on my rifle on the way home. It's going to have to be incredible because I went through many optics before finding the acog. It's on my pig rig and works perfectly for the way I hunt them, which is jumping sounders or groups of pigs and taking shots from 20 yards out to 200 yards once they take to running. The reflex pretty much has unlimited eye relief but the ta33gh has almost 4" which is plenty. Both don't require batteries and work both day and night. I don't know, the reflex feels really well built and the reticle is really quick to pick up, but the acog is just awesome. The glass is so clear and once I found the right ammo the BDC is dead on out to 600, probably can't do that with the reflex. But, under 20 yards it's tough to stay with a moving pig, so I mounted a fastfireII at 2 o'clock and it has done the job. Well guess I'm just going to have to build another rifle. Damn you trijicon. |
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Thanks all for the info. I guess the 42mm model should co-witnees just as good if not better than an Aimpoint right ? Where can I find the 1x42 with a 4.5 dot? I've only seen the 6.5 dot sizes everywhere. The TA51 mount will give you a 1/3 cowitness. The ARMS mount sits higher w/very little cowitness. The 4.5moa dot model is the new RX34. If it's not out already it should be out any day now. Tomac |
| I'm not too freaked out by the tritium eventually failing. The nite sites on my HK pistol were put on in '98 and are still just as bright. Now I can't honestly say if they use a different or smaller amount of tritium inside the reticle, BUT even if it does fail, I personally believe 80-90% of all that awesome illumination you are seeing on the new Trijicons is derived from the fiber optics. Someone can probably tell me the correct percentage here, but I'm just basing it on proir experience with bow sites. I'm a hard-core bowhunter and have used fiber optic sites for probably a decade, and the good ones I can see in extreme low light, whereas I can only see my tritium pistol sites glowing only in total dark. Anyone else experience this? |
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Most of my shooting is from 50 to 75 yrds....do you think this would be a better option than a magnified ACOG? OH yes.... I put mine on a subgun, it would be great for a 300 yard and under fast shooter, be it an AR or shotgun. Reflex sights have always been that way-a lot faster than an ACOG out to 250-300 yards, and just as good with practical accuracy. The older Reflex sights were very good for what they intended (bomb-proof battery free sight) for buy you had to compromise when shooting from a dimly lit area out to a brightly lit area (shaded room to a parking lot in daylight). This is not the case with the RX30... while still not as bright indoors as an aimpoint on it's brightest setting, there is no doubt where the dot is. Outdoors the dot can be too bright. To be honest I have never let the blooming bother me and just shot around it. A 6moa dot isn't exactly something you do snap head shots with at 200 meters.. electrical tape on the fiber optic channel will fix this, or you can just find a way to get it done. There will always be a handicap you are shooting around-better to learn to adapt and work around minor problems than let them keep you from not being able to Git'r'Dun when the time comes. |
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An agog ta33 3x is what I have been running for some time now. I'm interested in what will come out of this weekend's shoot, whether or not the RX-30 will end up on my rifle on the way home. It's going to have to be incredible because I went through many optics before finding the acog. It's on my pig rig and works perfectly for the way I hunt them, which is jumping sounders or groups of pigs and taking shots from 20 yards out to 200 yards once they take to running. The reflex pretty much has unlimited eye relief but the ta33gh has almost 4" which is plenty. Both don't require batteries and work both day and night. I don't know, the reflex feels really well built and the reticle is really quick to pick up, but the acog is just awesome. The glass is so clear and once I found the right ammo the BDC is dead on out to 600, probably can't do that with the reflex. But, under 20 yards it's tough to stay with a moving pig, so I mounted a fastfireII at 2 o'clock and it has done the job. Well guess I'm just going to have to build another rifle. Damn you trijicon. I run a TA33 on my XCR carbine. I think it is the best ACOG for most people after having a TA31F and TA11. It doesn't have enough magnification to slow you down under 50 yards, but has a BDC and just enough magnification to get torso hits on a silhouette at 600 meters. I have the amber chevron reticle, but I'd have bought a dot-horseshoe in amber or preferably green if it were available when I got mine. I have astigmatism which makes the chevron blurry depending on (obviously) if I am not wearing my glasses or if I'm really tired and wearing my glasses. The tip on the Chevron grows and makes me shoot an inch or two low at 100 yards. Past that it doesn't matter because you don't use the tip anymore. The fine dot in the horseshoe would would better for me. |
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I'm not too freaked out by the tritium eventually failing. The nite sites on my HK pistol were put on in '98 and are still just as bright. Now I can't honestly say if they use a different or smaller amount of tritium inside the reticle, BUT even if it does fail, I personally believe 80-90% of all that awesome illumination you are seeing on the new Trijicons is derived from the fiber optics. Someone can probably tell me the correct percentage here, but I'm just basing it on proir experience with bow sites. I'm a hard-core bowhunter and have used fiber optic sites for probably a decade, and the good ones I can see in extreme low light, whereas I can only see my tritium pistol sites glowing only in total dark. Anyone else experience this? I had israeli issue m16 night sights that I bought in a gun store bargain bin years ago. I don't know how long they really lasted becuase the packaging was at least 15 years old when I got them and they worked for years after that. They were easily functional past 20 years. If it makes a difference in anyone's purchases, Trijicon will not fill a Reflex sight. They say it isn't "cost effective". I think I should be the one to judge that.. At any rate, it's not an issue to me becuase it will still be an ass kicking low light sight until the day I die and I can't identify a target well enough to shoot when it's so dark that Tritium is neccesary. I've got night vision and IR lasers for those occasions. 
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How come I never hear about the 42mm Reflex? Is it new, or whats the deal? I've been doing the research and it seems like this would be a better option than an aimpoint, (no batteries), plus it's comparably priced or even cheaper than a Comp M-3/M4. I looked through the M-3/M4 recently and a Reflex, and it just seems much faster picking up on target than the Aimpoint., much bigger field of view, etc. I was leaning towards an M-4 until I actually compared it to a Reflex, and no batteries seems the way to go. Would like pics and feedback from any reflex users out there. Thanks a lot. The battiery argument is silly with Aimpoint battery life being measured in years. That is starting to compete with Tritium half life. I have not used the new larger reflex but the older one sucked. One of my officers runs one. Wash out is a constant problem. I hate that optic. Pat |
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This forum rocks. It's great getting all this data from real world experience, and not some salesman or dumb ass counter help. Thanks all for the info.
Now everyone's eyes are different, and mine seem to pick up the green dots better than red or amber, so should I wait for Trij. to offer a green dot on the 1x42, or do you think I might be waiting a long time? It would just really suck to plop down all that cash and find out a green version came out a week later. How's Trij. customer service? I e-mailed them a while back and never heard a peep, but I realize they are probably swamped with 2 wars going on now. |
| I have the smaller reflex and it can washout against a white background, so if a bad guy comes dressed in a chef outfit I may be screwed. I like the smaller as it's great two eye open ability and for the most part I don't need a reticle as if it's in the glass, it's a hit within the confines of my home. I can also get a good reticle even on white if I keep the polarizing filter on. |
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This forum rocks. It's great getting all this data from real world experience, and not some salesman or dumb ass counter help. Thanks all for the info. Now everyone's eyes are different, and mine seem to pick up the green dots better than red or amber, so should I wait for Trij. to offer a green dot on the 1x42, or do you think I might be waiting a long time? It would just really suck to plop down all that cash and find out a green version came out a week later. How's Trij. customer service? I e-mailed them a while back and never heard a peep, but I realize they are probably swamped with 2 wars going on now. Reflex sights have only ever once been offered in a color other than Amber as far as I know, and that was not really for consumer sales. It's possible that they could offer a green reticle-but you could also send it in and have it changed if they did. Trijicon's CS can't be a lot better... Last time I used the contact form on their website I had a phone call (!) in 2 days from their LEO sales rep. He answered every question I had about what I was looking to buy (TA33) and BDC issues with a different height over bore on my XCR vs. the AR's they were certainly meant for. Never felt rushed and was glad I got the chance to talk to him. Look, a company that sells a civilian something that comes with instructions on how to lead a walking, jogging or running human target  can't be all bad these days, LoL
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Some interesting pics here in regards to the red/green debate.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=264481&page=27 |
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Does anyone which QD mount would get me the closest to absolute co-witness for the 1x42 model? The ARM's website is pretty difficult to interpret, but I thought I did see something mentioned about a new QD mount made specifically for the 1x42 Reflex. I used the RX30 w/TA51 ACOG mount, that's about as low as it can go and it gives appx a 1/3 cowitness. Maybe this new QD mount you mentioned is lower but I don't know if it can get much lower than the TA51 mount (fingers crossed!...) Tomac |
| I've been thinking about getting an RX30 as well, it is hard to find much info about them, I just think not that many people have them compared to the the other more popular optics. Washout can occur with any illuminated optic, unless you always have it dialed all the way up to the maximum setting all the time, who does that? I agree this is a great site. |
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The TA51 mount you are using is a factory Trijicon mount right? You said it's made for the ACOG, so the holes and everthing line up ok? I contacted LaRue, but I don't think they make a mount that fits the reflex. IIRC there are two different RX30's made; the RX30 (uses the ARMS mount) and the RX30A (which uses the TA51 ACOG mount). Mounts between the two are not interchangeable. HTH... Tomac |
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I looked at the Trijicon pics of the TA51 mount and the ARMS mount they offer, and the ARMS mount looks a lot shorter/thinner than the TA51, wouldn't that provide closer to absolute co-witness, being lower on the rail? Just a theory, I wish someone on here had actually tried each, before I order one. Thanks all for the help.
FYI-LaRue e-mailed me back and confirmed they don't offer a mount for any Reflex optics |
| The 30X with Arms 15 throw lever and #15 spacer puts the dot just above my front sight. I have a bushmaster xm15es flat top. I bought a RX30-23 and am very happy! Did not come home on my carbine as mentioned earlier, but!!! just built another carbine just for the reflex sight. Again, Trijicon you are one huge SOB! |
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I've been thinking about getting an RX30 as well, it is hard to find much info about them, I just think not that many people have them compared to the the other more popular optics. Washout can occur with any illuminated optic, unless you always have it dialed all the way up to the maximum setting all the time, who does that? I agree this is a great site. The RX30 is just too new. People haven't seen them in person yet to see how they work. More importantly, people who have seen previous Reflex models have not seen how much Better the RX30's are.. |
| Thanks bobweaver, that's what I needed to know, mine's going on a Colt 6920 flattop, so it should be the same height as yours? I want the dot just where you mentioned. I put on some flip up frt and rear irons, so most of the time they will be down, but I want all that field of view, with the irons centered, in the rare event it's needed. My theory being, if I ever have to use it in a worst case scenario, I want maximum forgiveness, and not have to hunt for the sight with an adrenalin dump in a hairy situation. |
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I dont think these new reflexes wash out easily....i like the RMR really ––-all i have is the old style reflex and its a love/hate thing ––-it has always been fast and accurate but i dont like looking through a tinted lense––-I want to look through the reflex and analyze the target thru the lense.
but the reflex is not designed that way. it excels at 2 eyes open. and like magic the dot gets on target with both eyes open. so this being the case i dont think the big field of view is really necessary with this type of optic. it is meant for both eyes open fast cqb |
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How come I never hear about the 42mm Reflex? Is it new, or whats the deal? I've been doing the research and it seems like this would be a better option than an aimpoint, (no batteries), plus it's comparably priced or even cheaper than a Comp M-3/M4. I looked through the M-3/M4 recently and a Reflex, and it just seems much faster picking up on target than the Aimpoint., much bigger field of view, etc. I was leaning towards an M-4 until I actually compared it to a Reflex, and no batteries seems the way to go. Would like pics and feedback from any reflex users out there. Thanks a lot. I have a newer RX30. I find it great outdoors. Washout is a problem if looking towards a lighter area from a darker area (particularly indoors or indoors looking out). I haven't had it long enough to judge the durability. I'd recommend a different sight to someone who planned on using it indoors. |
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try the reflex yourself. lots of bad info out there from folks who've never used it. My .02$? In certain roles, it's hard to beat. I'm itching to get my hands on the new one. The new one being the RX30 or is there a newer one? I got a RX30-23 for a steal of a deal; wasn't looking for one but came across a guy really needing cash and couldn't say no. Turns out that I like it more than my Aimpoint and Eotech and is now my 2nd favorite optic behind a TA33G-H. No batteries, dual illumination, large field of view, very well built and tough; only negative is that it is heavy. It came with an ARMS throw lever mount and I've heard bad stuff about them but no complaints yet. |
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try the reflex yourself. lots of bad info out there from folks who've never used it. My .02$? In certain roles, it's hard to beat. I'm itching to get my hands on the new one. Examples please..... shotgun IMO. I use mine more occluded than as scope in and of itself, but the reticle's precision is there if i need it. main reason I've held off on the new one is that I believe the reflex's strengths (speed, reticle-clarity) are best magnified, and (sole potential) weakness best mitigated, by the larger triangle reticle. And if/when that model does arrive, I will buy it. One of the few times I will by a brand new optic and pay retail for it (oddly enough, the only other times I've done that have been with the newer tripower and a ta-11. guess I'ma bit of a trijicon fanboy  )
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