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Posted: 12/4/2016 12:47:48 PM EDT
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Has anyone got to handle or shoot the Troy reproduction of the XM177E2? I know some folks are totally against Troy, that is a discussion for another thread in GD. According to the website the proceeds go to the Special Forces Association and to the Special Operations Association.
"In recognition of the 50th Anniversary of the legendary XM177E2 Commando, TROY has taken responsibility to meticulously recreate it, to exacting 1967 U.S. military specifications, ensuring the historical accuracy and functional reliability of this venerable carbine. The XM177E2 is a U.S. Special Operations icon specifically built for the covert combat needs of MACV-SOG in Vietnam. The TROY XM177E2 Commando is of heirloom quality and aesthetically precise. Immortalizing duty, sacrifice and honor, proceeds from each XM177E2 will support the charitable efforts of The Special Forces Association and the Special Operations Association as they, “Commemorate fittingly the memory of those who have given their lives in defense of the Free World.” Slings and pistol are original Vietnam era US Government issue and may vary in color and condition. While supplies last." Availability of this commemorative item is limited, order yours today. What are your opinions of this rifle? |
| All I have to say about this is ever one I have seen has had workmanship flaws/oversights and horrible almost shiny cerakote jobs added to the receivers that isn't at all near the correct color gray anodizing for the weapon. I've looked at several at gun shows and have not been impressed at all sadly. |
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Troy is a site vendor! These are decent for a replica / commemorative gun. Probably can't build one as close using very many authentic Colt parts / NDS receivers for anything close to the $1200. A personal build would be a one off more than likely with personal touches added and has the pay as one gathers / builds option a completed weapon purchase won't. Assembled clone build won't hold the value of the Troy down the road except parted out (sum of parts), where parted out the Troy probably won't ever return initial investment IMO especially if used. It's not Colt, but uses same overpriced middle of the road functioning parts, just no significant American provenance for intrinsic value down the road.
I've fired a couple and they were the same as most every other carbine out there for $6-800 in performance category and really a little lacking truth be know by design if nothing else. The $3 GP strap and $5 PG probably added another $100 plus to final cost and most here have plenty of each and they were not issued with GP straps either. All the hoopla bla! bla! commemorative this / that and still it's a Troy when the sun goes does. Nothing cutting edge except the price generally. In reality it's a 40 yr old design that has been replaced with better and more versatile features now days. Aluminum stocks have always kinda sucked for actual carry / shooting but if I put a minty Colt aluminum up for sale right now it would bring $350 or $290 more than it originally cost rather quickly. Troy stock will probably never approach this type of re-sale value unless a little fraudulent on the sale like calling it a Colt. It's the same as always. Most like to gather parts and build on this forum. Searching endlessly and assembling each and every piece is part of the ride! For those incompetent, not an option at this time or just lazy for lack of better terms the Troy is sitting there for the taking at $1200ish I believe. |
| I'm currently in the middle of an XM177E2 build that, once completed, will top out around $900 with gunsmithing by Adco, around $1100 if I decide to go with the Ident markings. I don't care one way or another about the politics surrounding Troy - they make good products. That being said, the Troy logo on the XM177 kills it for me. I'd rather have a blank NDS/Brownell's lower receiver with markings by Ident than have a modern logo. |
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Troy is a site vendor! These are decent for a replica / commemorative gun. Probably can't build one as close using very many authentic Colt parts / NDS receivers for anything close to the $1200. A personal build would be a one off more than likely with personal touches added and has the pay as one gathers / builds option a completed weapon purchase won't. Assembled clone build won't hold the value of the Troy down the road except parted out (sum of parts), where parted out the Troy probably won't ever return initial investment IMO especially if used. It's not Colt, but uses same overpriced middle of the road functioning parts, just no significant American provenance for intrinsic value down the road. I've fired a couple and they were the same as most every other carbine out there for $6-800 in performance category and really a little lacking truth be know by design if nothing else. The $3 GP strap and $5 PG probably added another $100 plus to final cost and most here have plenty of each and they were not issued with GP straps either. All the hoopla bla! bla! commemorative this / that and still it's a Troy when the sun goes does. Nothing cutting edge except the price generally. In reality it's a 40 yr old design that has been replaced with better and more versatile features now days. Aluminum stocks have always kinda sucked for actual carry / shooting but if I put a minty Colt aluminum up for sale right now it would bring $350 or $290 more than it originally cost rather quickly. Troy stock will probably never approach this type of re-sale value unless a little fraudulent on the sale like calling it a Colt. It's the same as always. Most like to gather parts and build on this forum. Searching endlessly and assembling each and every piece is part of the ride! For those incompetent, not an option at this time or just lazy for lack of better terms the Troy is sitting there for the taking at $1200ish I believe. Thanks. Over the years I have built several AR carbines. None could be sold for what I have invested in parts. They are all FRANKEN GUNS. I have enjoyed building each one. Last year I used a registered lower I assembled along with a 6.9 SPC II SBR upper for my deer rifle.I have already started researching and trying to source the parts needed to build an XM177E2 clone. I would also like to build an M16A1 clone (semi right now and maybe install a registered select fire control group after a Form 1). The information I found on the XM177E2 has re-kindled my interest in the AR platform. |
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Here are lots of photos of it and another discussion thread.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/697007_.html&page=1 |
| I have one on order. I like the attention to detail and getting it as historically correct as possible and legal. I also appreciate the donations they make and their support of the military. I have always been I'm pressed with the Troy quality. Until Colt gets theirs available, the Troy version will suffice. I could build something similar I guess, but something about it being "factory" appeals to me. I am trying to put the Troy history issue behind me at this point, move forward and enjoy a well made rifle. |
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I do understand liking the fact that "its factory". Maybe because I was a police and Military armorer, and worked on and rebuilt so many weapons, that the thought of an assembled weapon bothers me not at all. Since the late 70s, I have worked on and built literally hundreds of AR platforms (many of which were during the 25 years as an FFL) Even factory weapons are just "put together" from parts. The key is WHO puts it together, and how good the parts are!
My SP1 carbine clone is a perfect example: I picked up a pristine Colt SP1 upper, a NIW Colt 6420 1/7" twist pencil barrel, slip ring, gas tube, Colt charging handle, Colt FCG and LPK, and Colt BCG. The only non Colt items, besides the NDS 601 lower (which is better than Colt, IMHO) are the no-name 6 hole handguards, the A1 Flash Hider (still looking for an original) and the MA Parts copy of the fiberite stock. If I wanted to invest another $150-$200 I could replace the the fiberite stock copy and handguards with original Colt. Those two items are not that important to me. |
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I have been digging around for information on building a reproduction XM177E2. I also have been thinking about building a reproduction M16A1 like what I carried for much of my 26 years in the military. I am curious about the timeframe the XM177E2 was used. Does anyone know when they were issued (fielded)?
I'm leaning toward building clone of an M16 from 1971. Just not sure which way to go. It would be nice to build one that is representative of the one I carried when my military career began in 1971. Also, any suggestions on how to source period correct components would be greatly appreciated. By the way I am in the back order / wait list with NoDak SPUD for their retro receiver set. |
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I have been digging around for information on building a reproduction XM177E2. I also have been thinking about building a reproduction M16A1 like what I carried for much of my 26 years in the military. I am curious about the timeframe the XM177E2 was used. Does anyone know when they were issued (fielded)? I'm leaning toward building clone of an M16 from 1971. Just not sure which way to go. It would be nice to build one that is representative of the one I carried when my military career began in 1971. Also, any suggestions on how to source period correct components would be greatly appreciated. By the way I am in the back order / wait list with NoDak SPUD for their retro receiver set. I would have to go check in my copy of The Black Rifle, but it was introduced in Oct of either 66 or 67. The E2 isn't all that difficult to collect parts for, just depends on how authentic you want to get. Probably the most expensive part is the stock, but they do come up often enough on the EE. Price for stock alone....about 375 or so. NoDak also reproduces the 2 position buffer tube. Full fence lower. Upper receivers show up fairly often too....Colt proof marks and all.......round forge, no forge code....perhaps 150 to 175 bucks. You can pick up an aftermarket barrel that would suffice, or a Colt 16 incher and have John Thomas shorten it and supply it with a very correct copy of the moderator and grenade ring. Those would be the major components. Oh....6 hole Colt handguards show up fairly often too in the EE. The parts that don't show, bolt carrier, buffer, bolt, etc can be hunted down too, if you desire, or aftermarket will suffice.Attached File Attached File |
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I would have to go check in my copy of The Black Rifle, but it was introduced in Oct of either 66 or 67. The E2 isn't all that difficult to collect parts for, just depends on how authentic you want to get. Probably the most expensive part is the stock, but they do come up often enough on the EE. Price for stock alone....about 375 or so. NoDak also reproduces the 2 position buffer tube. Full fence lower. Upper receivers show up fairly often too....Colt proof marks and all.......round forge, no forge code....perhaps 150 to 175 bucks. You can pick up an aftermarket barrel that would suffice, or a Colt 16 incher and have John Thomas shorten it and supply it with a very correct copy of the moderator and grenade ring. Those would be the major components. Oh....6 hole Colt handguards show up fairly often too in the EE. The parts that don't show, bolt carrier, buffer, bolt, etc can be hunted down too, if you desire, or aftermarket will suffice. 1966 IIRC, I don't think they were actually fielded in any significant numbers until 1967 though. I could be wrong, I haven't done much retro lately. |
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Original uppers are, apparently, giving vinyl acetate stocks a run for their money for price now.
Check this out! |
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Original uppers are, apparently, giving vinyl acetate stocks a run for their money for price now. Check this out! Yikes! I'm glad I bought the two parts kits that flooded the market quite a few years back but now I wished I had bought a dozen. Heck, even if I did I couldn't sell it like that and sleep well at night. |
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Yikes! I'm glad I bought the two parts kits that flooded the market quite a few years back but now I wished I had bought a dozen. Heck, even if I did I couldn't sell it like that and sleep well at night. Quoted:
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Original uppers are, apparently, giving vinyl acetate stocks a run for their money for price now. Check this out! Yikes! I'm glad I bought the two parts kits that flooded the market quite a few years back but now I wished I had bought a dozen. Heck, even if I did I couldn't sell it like that and sleep well at night. CRAP! I have at least TWO that nice! Hell one is even nicer than that one! Nothing I have is original so I'll have to put it in my will to break the AR's down and piece them out! Just WOW! |
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