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2/23/2007 3:52:37 PM EDT
"55 gr. bullets out of a 1/7 twist are slower than out of a 1/9"
2/23/2007 4:33:56 PM EDT
[#1]
Is there a prize?
2/23/2007 4:47:18 PM EDT
[#2]
Yeah, a guy at a gunstore that thinks he's smart.  Free shipping, act now.

Had never heard that one before.  Why would a twist make a bullet slower?
2/23/2007 4:49:26 PM EDT
[#3]
True.

Why? More resistance.
2/23/2007 4:55:37 PM EDT
[#4]
really? how much slower? avg.?
2/23/2007 4:58:12 PM EDT
[#5]
in theory perhaps...but probably not measurable
2/23/2007 5:02:28 PM EDT
[#6]
I have seen 15-20 ft per sec listed here on this site more than once.

Did I save the links? No. Just stuck it my noodle for a rainy day.
2/24/2007 7:10:01 AM EDT
[#7]
I have chrono'd some XM193 out of my AR (1/7), and out of my wife's AR (1/9). XM193 was faster out of the 1/7 than out of the 1/9.
2/24/2007 7:26:49 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
I have seen 15-20 ft per sec listed here on this site more than once.



You can see more variation than that from barrel to barrel, same length and same twist.
2/24/2007 11:30:40 AM EDT
[#9]
True.  

The bullet only picks up so much energy going down the bore.

The more energy that gets tied up spinning the bullet, the less that is available to  speed it forward.

I don't think it's significant though.
2/24/2007 11:30:55 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have seen 15-20 ft per sec listed here on this site more than once.



You can see more variation than that from barrel to barrel, same length and same twist.


+1
Even from the same barrel in the same shot string.

You'd have to do a huge sample to get good statistical info.
2/24/2007 1:33:00 PM EDT
[#11]
I would think that you would get as much or more variation from the minute diameter differences bullet to bullet, or the bore difference barrel to barrel, and with milsurp ammo, very slight powder differences; heck, even a difference in bullet crimp could impart a microscopic difference.  Assuming that ALL other things are EXACTLY the same, it stands to reason that it would take the tiniest bit more energy to spin the bullet faster.

Doc
2/28/2007 6:33:31 PM EDT
[#12]
so if i smooth bore my gun ill gain
2/28/2007 6:47:10 PM EDT
[#13]
In theory, the faster twist-rate will use-up more energy, thus reduce velocity.  However, the faster twist will retard the pressure curve, thus keeping the pressure slightly higher as the bullet travels down the bore.  This latter will increase velocity.  

The correct answer is that the twist will have such a small effect on velocity that will be overwhelmed by bore tolerances, chamber dimensions, powder-lots, bullet dimensions, case volume, primer differences, etc.  So, Each bbl. and load will behave in its own unique way.

Given the exact same parameters, one kind of powder (say a slower burning rate) will give slightly higher velocities with a faster twist, while another powder (faster burning rate) will give a lower velocity when the twist is faster.

Hope that confuses the issue enough to make it evident, that one cannot really tell whether or not the twist will affect velocity.

Dave.
2/28/2007 7:33:36 PM EDT
[#14]
False.... because the differences are greater from barrel to barrel in the SAME twist... than the differences in two perfectly identical barrels of a different twist.  So many other factors have a greater impact on MV than twist.... it isnt worth discussing.
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