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Posted: 6/25/2009 3:20:50 AM EDT
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I have quite a few of the standard SF G2 lights, non LED. Can I simply replace the bulb with an LED to convert them to be like my (much superior) LED lights? Or is it more difficult?
Thought my regular G2s were bright until I got an LED version. |
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Yes, get a Malkoff M60. Nothing else compares. A Malkoff M60 in a Surefire G2 is not recommended because the G2 bezel is plastic and the M60 could melt it. It's ok in a Surefire G2 LED because those have aluminum bezels. An M60L is ok for a non-led G2. I run a Surefire 6P with a malkoff M60 and is indeed a very good light. |
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Our TNVC drop-in for the Surefire line of lights http://www.tacticalnightvision.com/illumination.htm has been field tested with thousands of rounds down range. We do recommend the G2L or 6P head as these are metal heads which will dissipate the heat much better than the plastic counterparts. Hope this helps.
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Does anyone make an all inclusive "conversion kit" to turn my standard G2's into LED G2's? From what I am gathering there are a couple different items I need to make this work correctly. I am going to make this happen, am just trying to determine if I can convert these or if it would make more sense to just sell these and buy new LED's.
Vic- if I buy the 2 items you mentioned, am I good to go? Or is there more stuff to buy? |
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Our TNVC drop-in for the Surefire line of lights http://www.tacticalnightvision.com/illumination.htm has been field tested with thousands of rounds down range. We do recommend the G2L or 6P head as these are metal heads which will dissipate the heat much better than the plastic counterparts. Hope this helps. Vic Links no good. Vic. I will try and find it. Do you also carry the G2L head? Heading to your site. |
Strange. Try this again. Up too late I guess.  http://www.tacticalnightvision.com/illumination.htm I fixed it on the original and here. Thanks for the heads up!
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Actually Surefire makes a replacement LED module now: http://www.surefire.com/P60L
I put one in my G2 Nitrolon (handheld use) and haven't had any problems with it. It's only 80 lumens, but it doesn't seem to generate enough heat to create any melting issues, even when keeping it activated for ~30 minutes. If you are trying to use it on a high-recoil thing like a shotgun, they recommend getting the metal bezel; they seem to have a kit with that: http://www.surefire.com/BP60L-LED-WeaponLight-Conversion-Kit |
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Actually Surefire makes a replacement LED module now: http://www.surefire.com/P60L I put one in my G2 Nitrolon (handheld use) and haven't had any problems with it. It's only 80 lumens, but it doesn't seem to generate enough heat to create any melting issues, even when keeping it activated for ~30 minutes. If you are trying to use it on a high-recoil thing like a shotgun, they recommend getting the metal bezel; they seem to have a kit with that: http://www.surefire.com/BP60L-LED-WeaponLight-Conversion-Kit That SF LED unit is over-priced and worthless imho. I had a 6PLED and didn't like it. I upgraded it with many a unit and have decided the Malkoff M60 or M60W is for weapons, and the Malkoff M60W MC-E is what I want for a hand-held utility light. The TNVC unit is a good one if you aren't able to get batteries as easily/often or need the light for longer periods of time as it has 30+ minutes more run-time on 2 CR123A's (going only by both manufacturerns run-time ratings) in exchange for around 50 lumens output (verified). |
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Actually Surefire makes a replacement LED module now: http://www.surefire.com/P60L I put one in my G2 Nitrolon (handheld use) and haven't had any problems with it. It's only 80 lumens, but it doesn't seem to generate enough heat to create any melting issues, even when keeping it activated for ~30 minutes. If you are trying to use it on a high-recoil thing like a shotgun, they recommend getting the metal bezel; they seem to have a kit with that: http://www.surefire.com/BP60L-LED-WeaponLight-Conversion-Kit I am just wanting to upgrade 2-3 of the G2's we use for truck lights or around the house lights. All handheld use. |
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Actually Surefire makes a replacement LED module now: http://www.surefire.com/P60L I put one in my G2 Nitrolon (handheld use) and haven't had any problems with it. It's only 80 lumens, but it doesn't seem to generate enough heat to create any melting issues, even when keeping it activated for ~30 minutes. If you are trying to use it on a high-recoil thing like a shotgun, they recommend getting the metal bezel; they seem to have a kit with that: http://www.surefire.com/BP60L-LED-WeaponLight-Conversion-Kit I am just wanting to upgrade 2-3 of the G2's we use for truck lights or around the house lights. All handheld use. Hrmmmm, this is why I tell people to stay away from G2's. You are now looking at spending a chunk of change to replace the bezels on all 3 units. Maybe go with something like Solarforce bezels or something if they are compatable. |
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I did some quick checking and it will be simpler to just buy a few G2 LED's and sell or give away my standard G2's. Or just keep them as spares. I have so many 123 batteries, I need something to put them in anyway, LOL. I overstocked on them a bit  Or you could buy 6P's and not have to do this crap again when you upgrade to something truly high output like a Malkoff MC-E unit or something. Even the Malkoff M60's work best in metal bodies. Most 200+ lumen LED's will thank you for going 6P! |
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I googled the Malkoff and the first (and only) review I read, didnt speak to favorably of the M60. Maybe I need to read some more. Cant remember who did the review, but he referenced and linked the Candlepower forums a bunch.
As long as the Malkoff is in no way associated with the DX, I will consider it. I will NEVER purchase anything else from DX. I was one of the unlucky ones who got a defective light from them and then got fucked by their so called customer service. 
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I googled the Malkoff and the first (and only) review I read, didnt speak to favorably of the M60. Maybe I need to read some more. Cant remember who did the review, but he referenced and linked the Candlepower forums a bunch. As long as the Malkoff is in no way associated with the DX, I will consider it. I will NEVER purchase anything else from DX. I was one of the unlucky ones who got a defective light from them and then got fucked by their so called customer service. Malkoff is 100% top notch, Gene Malkoff is the designer, and seller, and when you call his # you get his wife or him. (at least every time I do I have) |
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Our TNVC drop-in for the Surefire line of lights http://www.tacticalnightvision.com/illumination.htm has been field tested with thousands of rounds down range. We do recommend the G2L or 6P head as these are metal heads which will dissipate the heat much better than the plastic counterparts. Hope this helps. Vic Links no good. Vic. I will try and find it. Do you also carry the G2L head? Heading to your site. Not the head, but the whole unit with substantial package prices with our lamps. You do a bit of math to see how inexpensive we offer the SF for.  Hope this helps.
...And YES, most ALL folks talk to me the owner, developer and OEM for many other shoot gear. Let that be known as well! 
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I think people are making this more complicated than they have to, and suggesting more output than you really want. I quoted what I think are the important parts of your posts, let me know if I'm wrong or have missed anything. Yes, you can simply replace the incandescent bulb of your G2's with a lower-power led drop-in. You don't need a new bezel, until you get into the higher-power drop-ins like M60 or TNVC's. And even then, the worry is that the heat will damage the drop-in, not that the heat will damage your G2. The Surefire P60L is a lower-power drop-in. If the P60L is on long enough, it will start to get warm; if it gets warm enough that you would "need" a metal bezel, the circuitry in the P60L cuts the output a little to prevent overheating. It's still plenty bright for an around-the-house or truck flashlight. It lasts around 4 hours in regulation, though, not the advertised 11 or 12 hours that is "useful life" which includes very dim output. Or, for a little more money, you can get the Malkoff M60L (low, 140 lumens for 4.5 hours) or M60LL (low low, 80 lumens for 8 hours). These have much better beams, output, and heatsinking, so they are good to go in the plastic bezel of the G2, no metal bezel necessary. Only if you want the ~200 lumens of the M60 or TNVC drop-in for extended periods of time do you need the metal bezel on your G2's. But you said you don't need 200 lumens. If you've been happy with the feel and output of your G2's thus far, and you can afford it, I would suggest going with the $55 M60LL (add F for flood or W for warm tint, up to you) led drop-in from www.malkoffdevices.com, giving you approximately the same output but for 8 hours. Or you can find Surefire P60L led assemblies for around $30 on www.cpfmarketplace.com. Heck, get one P60L from cpfmarketplace, get one M60LL from malkoffdevices or cpfmarketplace, and decide what you want for the other(s). Since you don't want 200 lumen-level light, you do not need to change bezels on your G2's. Also, yes, the G2L bezel and 6P bezel are functionally identical, except the finish on the G2L bezel is usually a less shiny color to match the nitrolon. Quoted: I have quite a few of the standard SF G2 lights, non LED. Can I simply replace the bulb with an LED to convert them to be like my (much superior) LED lights? Or is it more difficult? Thought my regular G2s were bright until I got an LED version. I am just wanting to upgrade 2-3 of the G2's we use for truck lights or around the house lights. All handheld use. I have no need for 200 lumens.
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| I wish I'd read this thread three hours ago. I just placed an order for two P60Ls for two G2 Nitrolons. Frankly, they are not constant use lights (both are in service as duty belt back-ups to 8Xs), so I don't suppose I'll have much of a problem. I was also looking to try one of them out in my Z3. |
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Or, for a little more money, you can get the Malkoff M60L (low, 140 lumens for 4.5 hours) or M60LL (low low, 80 lumens for 8 hours). These have much better beams, output, and heatsinking, so they are good to go in the plastic bezel of the G2, no metal bezel necessary. Only if you want the ~200 lumens of the M60 or TNVC drop-in for extended periods of time do you need the metal bezel on your G2's. But you said you don't need 200 lumens. If you've been happy with the feel and output of your G2's thus far, and you can afford it, I would suggest going with the $55 M60LL (add F for flood or W for warm tint, up to you) led drop-in from www.malkoffdevices.com, giving you approximately the same output but for 8 hours. Or you can find Surefire P60L led assemblies for around $30 on www.cpfmarketplace.com. +1 If you are wanting to turn your G2 into a "light saber", your starting out with the wrong platform. A G2 for $30 and you drop in a $55 M60LL will give you the exact same amount of light (actually, a little more) and 8x the run time. Its also shock proof and will not overheat your bezel. |
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