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7/18/2008 1:48:33 PM EDT
Is a Vertical grip on a Semi auto M4 worth while ,or it it just for looks? I never had all this fancy gear when I was in the Army (1971-1973) and the 16's we were issued were A1 20inch triangle handguards. all my AR's now are straight foward handguards .I was thinking I might want a Vertical on my next build if they work better .
7/18/2008 2:08:12 PM EDT
[#1]
On a semi its questionable and personal preference.  I still use one to mount my Surefire light's pressure switch to or use a Crimison Trace Laser Vertical forgrip as set up for home defence and working down range.  For coyote hunting all of it comes off, however.  Get one and try it, you may or may not like one.

CD
7/18/2008 3:37:40 PM EDT
[#2]
All a matter of personal preference. When I first got back into ARs I thought they looked kinda cheesy, Now I have them on all 4 of my semi-auto M4a and my M16A4 clone. Doesn't feel as comfortable without them, I really prefer them now
7/18/2008 4:02:57 PM EDT
[#3]
It is a matter of personal preferrence.  Me, I have absolutely no use for VFGs.
7/18/2008 4:56:17 PM EDT
[#4]
I always thought they looked like ass and couldn't see using them. Then I actually tried it. I am a big fan now, on carbine and 20" at least cant see not using one. My 24" still dont have one though.
7/18/2008 4:58:21 PM EDT
[#5]
I used to like them and even spent over $80 on one. I don't use one anymore. I'm more steady without one.
7/18/2008 5:02:14 PM EDT
[#6]
they works wonders for me while standing, not much of a help in prone or on a bench though. They look cool.
7/18/2008 5:05:23 PM EDT
[#7]
Vertical grips do work. For me its primarily because it offers a much more natural grip and better control. If you are using a rail, its too easy to add one and try it.
7/18/2008 7:15:53 PM EDT
[#8]
I do not use one. I like the tighter position of holding the lower receiver - pressure pad for light is mounted on the upper to be used by my left thumb.
7/18/2008 7:25:41 PM EDT
[#9]
I like mine on my middy.  Want to replace it with a FUG.
7/18/2008 7:47:07 PM EDT
[#10]
I have not found much love for them but here is what I've found

No VFG: most steady for me natural and quick but if I put my light and laser on it get front heavy.

VFG near mag well: This is very comfortable, steady and faster.

VFG in middle: this is the best place to put a VFG if you are using light or laser with a pressure push tailcap

VFG out front: This is the quickest for reflex shooting below 40 yards.  It is not very steady or accurate (as far as pinpoint) but will quickly get bullets center mass.  This is also the least convinet place to put a VFG.  Plus this leaves enough open rail behind to do a traditional hold when needed.


I have little use for VFGs I never carried a bare M4 in the Army, M249s and M4/M-16 with 203s mounted.  So I am unfamiliar with them and I aviod waht I am unfamiliar with.  I say go what you shoot best with.  However if you use a light and laser a VFG will help balance the weight and place the hands in the best place to activate.
7/18/2008 8:30:47 PM EDT
[#11]
Honestly, I usually don't use the VFG when I shoot.  The main benefit of the VFG [for me] is for when you need to carry the rifle for an extended period of time, whether it be an M4 or M249, when you're expecting to carry it for a long time, the VFG makes it much easier and more comfortable to do.

Also, I like the "pointability" of the M4 when doing CQB, mounted closer to the rear of the rail.  For longer shots where more stability is needed, I don't really use the VFG.  

It also makes a good monopod for barriers like walls to rest the weapon on.

HTH,
~Augee
7/18/2008 9:51:34 PM EDT
[#12]
I come from a generation that was trained to shoot the M-16 by Uncle Sam before vertical grips were common.

Prior to that, I was trained to shoot a rifle when I was 12 years old, and to me, the old fashioned way is the ONLY way to hold a rifle.

I do not like vertical grips, and could never shoot a rifle with one.

Not knocking it if it works for you, but myself, I have no use for them whatsoever.

EDIT: I am an old "triangular handguard, 3 prong flash hider" guy too!
7/18/2008 10:50:51 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
I come from a generation that was trained to shoot the M-16 by Uncle Sam before vertical grips were common.

Prior to that, I was trained to shoot a rifle when I was 12 years old, and to me, the old fashioned way is the ONLY way to hold a rifle.

I do not like vertical grips, and could never shoot a rifle with one.

Not knocking it if it works for you, but myself, I have no use for them whatsoever.

EDIT: I am an old "triangular handguard, 3 prong flash hider" guy too!
I've come to  feel funny without an VFG on my m4s..on the other hand....wouldnt have one on my M1s and 03s!
7/18/2008 11:49:11 PM EDT
[#14]
Get one and try it.  A lot depends on what you are doing with your firearm.  I feel it is a natural grip depending on where you mount it.  If you have lights or lasers (other than a crimson trace grip mount) it will be a great tool to have.  Love it or hate it, it all comes down to personal feel and use.  My advice is still if you have the budget buy one and try it.  If all else fails at least you can sell it off.
7/19/2008 5:33:02 AM EDT
[#15]
I like them for no other reason than they make actuating 3'o-clock mounted Surefires practical, using your thumb.  Trying to do it without a VFG is quite awkward.

7/19/2008 7:31:28 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I like them for no other reason than they make actuating 3'o-clock mounted Surefires practical, using your thumb.  Trying to do it without a VFG is quite awkward.




When I attach my light to my FSB mount, it's not awkward at all on either side without a VFG.  Everyone is different I guess.
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