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Posted: 3/16/2014 11:54:14 AM EDT
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I bought this sight back in the middle of February, only had to the chance now to install the 2x multiplier. Its ok, but I doubt ill use it. One thing I did notice, the shape of the dot got round! Now I checked this with four other people, they all said the same thing. "The dot was not round until the 2X multiplier was added. I know people on here have said the same thing on here as I found an old thread. But as of now, I am seriously thinking about changing this sight. I don't like the fact that myself and others can see a difference in dot shape when the multiplier is screwed on. Has anybody noticed this once the 2X multiplier is put on? |
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I bought this sight back in the middle of February, only had to the chance now to install the 2x multiplier. Its ok, but I doubt ill use it. One thing I did notice, the shape of the dot got round! Now I checked this with four other people, they all said the same thing. "The dot was not round until the 2X multiplier was added. I know people on here have said the same thing on here as I found an old thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/597802_.html But as of now, I am seriously thinking about changing this sight. I don't like the fact that myself and others can see a difference in dot shape when the multiplier is screwed on. Has anybody noticed this once the 2X multiplier is put on? You likely have an astigmatism and the magnifier helps correct that. The magnifier has absolutely no change on how the dot is projected. At all. That being said, you'll have that issue with any red dot. Just wondering... did you read the thread you linked us to? Does it also get round if you look through the aperture of your rear sight? |
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Quoted: You likely have an astigmatism and the magnifier helps correct that. The magnifier has absolutely no change on how the dot is projected. At all. That being said, you'll have that issue with any red dot. Just wondering... did you read the thread you linked us to? Does it also get round if you look through the aperture of your rear sight? Quoted: Quoted: I bought this sight back in the middle of February, only had to the chance now to install the 2x multiplier. Its ok, but I doubt ill use it. One thing I did notice, the shape of the dot got round! Now I checked this with four other people, they all said the same thing. "The dot was not round until the 2X multiplier was added. I know people on here have said the same thing on here as I found an old thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/597802_.html But as of now, I am seriously thinking about changing this sight. I don't like the fact that myself and others can see a difference in dot shape when the multiplier is screwed on. Has anybody noticed this once the 2X multiplier is put on? You likely have an astigmatism and the magnifier helps correct that. The magnifier has absolutely no change on how the dot is projected. At all. That being said, you'll have that issue with any red dot. Just wondering... did you read the thread you linked us to? Does it also get round if you look through the aperture of your rear sight? Does this mean that all four other people have the same issue with their eyes? Ages ranging 15 to 50? Apparently the magnifier does have an effect, the dot gets nice and round once it is screwed in for all four people I checked this on. Not trying to argue here, this is just my first red dot sight. Now trying to figure out now whether or not I need to contact Vortex. |
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Does this mean that all four other people have the same issue with their eyes? Ages ranging 15 to 50? Apparently the magnifier does have an effect, the dot gets nice and round once it is screwed in for all four people I checked this on. Not trying to argue here, this is just my first red dot sight. Now trying to figure out now whether or not I need to contact Vortex. Quoted:
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I bought this sight back in the middle of February, only had to the chance now to install the 2x multiplier. Its ok, but I doubt ill use it. One thing I did notice, the shape of the dot got round! Now I checked this with four other people, they all said the same thing. "The dot was not round until the 2X multiplier was added. I know people on here have said the same thing on here as I found an old thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/597802_.html But as of now, I am seriously thinking about changing this sight. I don't like the fact that myself and others can see a difference in dot shape when the multiplier is screwed on. Has anybody noticed this once the 2X multiplier is put on? You likely have an astigmatism and the magnifier helps correct that. The magnifier has absolutely no change on how the dot is projected. At all. That being said, you'll have that issue with any red dot. Just wondering... did you read the thread you linked us to? Does it also get round if you look through the aperture of your rear sight? Does this mean that all four other people have the same issue with their eyes? Ages ranging 15 to 50? Apparently the magnifier does have an effect, the dot gets nice and round once it is screwed in for all four people I checked this on. Not trying to argue here, this is just my first red dot sight. Now trying to figure out now whether or not I need to contact Vortex. Could be. I have had the issue with nearly every red dot I've tried. Bushnell TRS-25, Vortex SPARC, Vortex Strikefire, Aimpoint PRO, Aimpoint T1, Primary Arms Micro, Primary Arms full size red dots, everything. Age doesn't necessarily make a difference here. I'm 22 and have the issue. In link you posted, they gave ways to see if it's an astigmatism. Again, flip up your rear sight and see if it's round when you look through it. That's the easiest test IMO. What I was saying about the magnifier is that it isn't going to change the way the emitter projects the dot. It's going to be the same shape no matter what. The way your eye perceives the dot changes because of the extra lenses. |
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Also, people (like myself) who see the Eotech reticle as a blurred/streaky/asterisk-shaped dots that form the circle find that when you add the 3x magnifier it suddenly looks like the advertised reticle picture. Yep, I had to get rid of my EOTech because of that. Ugh. It was such an awesome reticle but messed with my head. |
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Ok, I got a piece of black material put a 1/16" hole in it. Used it as a rear aperture sight. The shape of the dot does not change. Add the 2X multiplier, again it gets nice and round. Any other suggestions? Maybe I need to get another red dot to see if the same issue remains. |
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Quoted: Interesting, I have two Strikefires. I've never use the multiplier on either one but the dot seems round to me. |
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I think the problem is your eyes (astigmatism) just as it is for me. You'll have the same issue with an Aimpoint that cost 2-3x the Vortex. I've learned to accept it. Put the little asterisk (instead of dot) on the target and fire. If you can't get past the blurred dot, a Trijicon 1.5x TA44 ACOG might suit you, but they are expensive. |
| Ironically I have an astigmatism and have bifocals. If I look through the bifocal, bottom lenses, then the dot looks like a cluster of a dozen balloons. But other wise looking through the top of my lenses or without my glasses it's just a dot. The red works for me much better than the green. |
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Yep, I had to get rid of my EOTech because of that. Ugh. It was such an awesome reticle but messed with my head. Quoted:
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Also, people (like myself) who see the Eotech reticle as a blurred/streaky/asterisk-shaped dots that form the circle find that when you add the 3x magnifier it suddenly looks like the advertised reticle picture. Yep, I had to get rid of my EOTech because of that. Ugh. It was such an awesome reticle but messed with my head. Same here. I had the base model with a flip mount magnifier. I loved it with the magnifier, but I can't do close range shots with it in. Flip it out and I had to adjust the brightness to nearly zero before the fuzziness went away. Sold it to a friend and only use iron sights right now. |
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Yep, its my eyes!!! The picture tells it all!!! Dots are nice and round, that was the best advise to check the dot shape!!! Thanks!!! |
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Yep, its my eyes!!! The picture tells it all!!! Dots are nice and round, that was the best advise to check the dot shape!!! Thanks!!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/LifeNRA/reddot.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/LifeNRA/greendot.jpg Glad you got it figured out! It sucks, but I've gotten used to the issue. Fortunately for me, I only have the issue with smaller 2moa dots. I have a 3moa Primary Arms sight and it's PERFECTLY round. My Aimpoint is still blurry though :( |
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Quoted: Many times the issue is people who "look at the dot", this is especially true of the Eotech reticle. Try and look through the optic at the target. My Eotech and RDS all look better to me when I don't look at them!  And man, is that reticle ever sharp under 3x magnification... Mark H. |
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