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Posted: 1/3/2008 4:44:48 PM EDT
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Ok so I get this pretty little bore laser sight and as usual, was eager to try it out. Well I opened the bolt and carrier and slid it in there and what do you know, works pretty good. Well I set it down to grab the rifle with the scope on it to take a look at how far off it was and as I grabbed the first rifle to take the laser out the bolt closed. So I try to shake the damn thing out and no go. The directions say to use a cleaning rod which I try. It does absolutely nothing. With the bolt back and not able to take the thing apart I was stuck it seemed. Well any problem that can't be fixed by pounding on it deserves a bigger hammer. Sure enough the rubber mallet on the cleaning rod gets it free. Now we can clearly see two problems (for those of you that have been here before please feel free to speak up so I don't feel like a total tard): 1) The cleaning rod has impaled the laser and 2) the real culprit was the stupid warning sticker about how nasty lasers are if you shine them in your eye that I had not removed (and no, the instructions DID NOT mention that little nugget of info). So since my cleaning rod was metal and impaled on this thing, I was finally able to bend it to get some pliers on the laser without jacking up the MUR upper (I calmed down and went slowly here). Then took off the flash hider to try to unsrcrew the bent part since I still couldn't get the rifle apart becuase the bolt wouldn't close still. Some careful leverage and the cleaning rod snapped and fell out, bolt closed, rifle apart and a good cleaning and inspection. Death toll from stupidity: BRAND FRIGGIN NEW laser bore sight ($40 not the $200 model). CTR stock now won't work from the couple of hard whacks to try to use gravity to get the damn thing out the easy way. Man I'm annoyed and only have myself to blame. But I gotta tell you, I'm tempted to say something about putting the damn sticker on the damn laser bore sight but I'll refrain for the time being. Kids: Don't try this at home. |
| Wow way to ratt yourself outhat sounds like you have my luck,lol. |
I want to hear more about the stock. Was the stock extended? Latched in place? Just what kind of damage? Pics?? Seeing as how I've got a CTR I'm wondering just what kind of damage I might do if I need to |
, If I tried a bore sight....
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Ok so after some looking and a couple more whacks, the problem is certainly with the pin. When I whacked the bottom lever with the pin lined up in teh ballpark of the fully extended position, I could get it to clamp the buffer tube and not move. That let the top lever move again but it was REALLY hard to move it back out. I'm sure getting it off is going to be ugly now. Sooooooo, about that UBR 
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| You know, I was thinking about that... Then I remembered that thread in their industry forum where they were taking care of that soldier right before he went on another tour to Iraq and I think I gotta just support them by getting another one. That kinda company just rocks. |
 ouchhope that your stock gets fixed up |
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So is this something that you think would've broken a regular M4 stock? Or is it just the design of the CTR that was at fault (other than the bashing with the stock extended)? I really like the looks of the CTR, but these days I'm leaning more and more towards a modstock. Especially since the CTR seems like a little woman stock that can't take a few hard licks... |
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the week point with most adjustable stocks is the locking pin....I dont know if a M4 would have fared better or worse. replacing the locking pin on an M$ would not be to difficult. the instructions about removing the sticker is on the backside of said sticker.......  ......ok, had to say that......but that does sound like something I would have done myself.
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It absolutely applies to all collapsible stocks. All of them that use teh normal buffer tube, at any rate. Magpul's M93 and UBR stocks have a very different design so it shouldn't be a problem for them. I haven't looked in a while but I think the military user manuals include a warning about this issue. |
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The laser prevented the bolt from closing enough to take the thing apart. Then, after I got the laser out, the metal cleaning rod was bent so I still couldn't close the bolt enough to get it to open. It was quite the conundrum there for a minute until the monkey brain kicked in. I got lucky when the one short section of the clenaing rod snapped so the remiain part slid out the front of the barrel. |
Just be happy you didnt buy a muzzle laser for sighting in then put a round in the chamber pulled the trigger. I got to see a guy pull the trigger with the laser still in the muzzle and blew his barrel up. The barrel did the splits about 3 to 4 inches from the muzzle. |
| That sucks. Have you ever tried boresighting by looking throught the barrel? For my AR-15 I removed the BCG and charging handle and put the upper on a rest. Then I simply picked something I could see about 50 yds away through the barrel and centered the barrel on it then the crosshairs. I've done it that way for years with bolt actions and muzzleloaders. It usually get's me pretty close. |
I can tell by your handle that you are a man with good since. I too have owned Irish Wolfhounds and they are great (all wolfhounds are great including the Borzoi). And I too bore sight the old fashioned way and I have never launched a device down range. Years before these gall-darn newfangled bore sighting devices came on the market looking down the bore was the only way to do it. And it worked every time, no need for offset tools for scoped mounted too high or any other fancy-shmancy gizmos. So what if you had to get inventive with a small mirror to do it with a gun that did not have an easily removable bolt and action, like a Rem 742... I've tried several bore sighting devices over the years and have never warmed up to sticking things down the muzzle of my rifle or trying to see a laser in bright daylight on a 50 yard target so those devices set on the shelf gathering dust while the old eye-ball down the barrel still works and I have yet to leave them at home when going to the range. The OP has done us a great service of showing that the old way is not only a simpler way but also it seems a hell of a lot safer and less frustrating way to get a job done. The new devices, well, they are good for turning a one minute job into a half-hour adventure! |
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That's true, simpler is almost always better and I'm glad that this thread might bring to light some of those simple ways. On the other hand, some word to the wise, if you ARE going to use a laser bore sight (the bullet kind) the take the BCG OUT of the rifle before you put it in. At least that way you can take it apart to maek thing easier. |
I saw a SIG 556 that the bore sight had been left in like that. It looked like something from a cartoon. To the OP good luck with your new parts, and take it that this noob at least has learned from your mistakes! |
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