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Posted: 7/10/2008 6:07:55 PM EDT
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alright, some of you have seen my post about what i now know is a LWRC .499, i am returning it to the shop for a credit and would like another Big bore upper.... i would like a .308 but then i would have to buy another lower, and i can't afford that.... when i originally bout the .499 i though it was a beo .50.. so i could buy a beo .50 or a 6.5 grendal, which sounds pretty sweet... and then there is the .458 socom, and the 6.8.. now i would like a bullet that fits in Pmags, which is pretty much all the mags i have.. i know the wulf fits in them, not sure about the others.. the range i go to has 2 200 yard lanes, so i would like to use them... i like shooting paintballs with my .223 at 50 yards.. i'd like to do that farther out... I'm 22 years old, i don't load my own ammo, i just want to buy an upper, snap it onto my lower, and start shooting and buying accessories for it... reasons im getting rid of the .499 is mainly ammo is expensive and kinda hard to come by. so i would like your opinions and advice on the matter... |
My opinions and advise is this, based on the portion in red, the 458 SOCOM is the choice. Mags are standard AR15 mags NO MODS AT ALL. Ammo is from Corbon.com reedsammo.com frangiblebullets.com midwayusa.com SBRammunition.com and more on the way so I heard. I have 2 458 SOCOM rifles, here is what one does at 100 yards... with 405 grain rem bullets (THE CHEEP bullet offered.) i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/458SOCOM/458Group.jpg I am sure others will have their opinions and some will be good ones, choose what works for you! |
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Yes, the P-Mags work but if you want to use 500 gr. bullets you will need other mags without that "V" shaped notch in the front. You have to seat those bullets deep enough as it is so I would not want to seat them any deeper to clear that "V." You may also need to do some mods to them if using large flat HP bullets. You would have this problem even with the .499 or the .50 B with the P-mags. The 6.5 or 6.8 will need special mags for them. IMO, I'm with Cold, get the .458 SOCOM. It has more bullets available in a wider weight range and brass is usually not a problem to find. |
Cold, you REALLY need a .338 Spectre 
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I guess it depends upon what one calls a "big bore". I guess technically in our case it would be anything larger than 5.56, but, to me....it ain't a big bore until it pass 30 cal. :D I really like the .458. Smaller, for all around shooting, I like the 6.8. For cheap, accurate fun, how ya gonna beat the 7.62 x 39? I believe one of each fits the bill. In the end, selection depends on what you are going to do with it, and what turns you on :) Who cares what shoots the flattest at 600 yds if you will never shoot anything at that range. I bet most people seldom exceed 200. |
thats what im saying, i dont hunt... all i do it shoot paper,, and washers and dryers and... yeah.... and i'm not going to shoot more than 200 yeards regularly... 458 does sound pretty decent.. |
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Alterocks, I am glad you are able to take the .499 back. For your situation, not being able to reload makes the 499 pretty much a wall hanger. The first point that I would make is that while you only have PMags, I would not let magazine compatability be a deal breaker. For the cost of shooting any of the big bore guns, buying a new mag or two is gonna be cheap compared to ammo. Any of it. I am not sure if you routinely buy ammo on line, or what your local dealers typically carry, but the first thing I would do is check on ammo availability for all of the calibers you are pondering, either on line or at your normal ammo purchase places. All of the calibers do have ammo availability, but they change from time to time. None of the truely big bore calibers are anywhere close to normal when it come to ammo. Normal being something like the 556/223. Not exactly sure what you mean by "accessories for it", but if you mean the gun, make sure the various models you are looking at have the flat top configuration and especially the handguard configuration you want. If the accessories you want are gun related. Bear in mind that the cheaper type optics can take a real beating with the boomers. Not sure what your budget is like, but the big recoil can play havoc on all accessories on the gun. You mentioned wanting to shoot paintballs further out, possibly at 200 yards. I don't really think any of the big bore (450, 458 or 50) are really 200 yard accuracy type guns. They will all shoot that far, and my 458S is accurate enough for me to have fun at 200 yards, but where the big bores really shine is big power, a bit closer. I would think that a 6.8 might be more of a 200 yard gun, but it is not the same as any of the big ones. The big bores are big bullets, big recoil, big destruction on targets, putting a big smile on your face. Really quite different than a 6.5, 6.8 or 7.62. I would think that shooting paint balls with a big bore might be a let down. You are gonna have lots of soil/dirt explosion which might damper the exploding effect. Now appliances, that is a different story.... Craig |
Its on the list. Actually, it is next... |
 You probably have one of those 50ae uppers stuck under the couch cushions somewhere
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+1 Bearbait you always have a good explanation. Alterocks I am in the minority on this board because I own a 450 bushmaster. I chose it because I got a deal on the upper, the ammo is cheap compared to the other big boars and it is a little flatter shooting. As for mag capacity it takes a hit because it only holds 5 rounds. Imo you would be best served with a 450 bushmaster or the 458 SOCOM. |
Will you ever take it hunting? If so, I say .458 SOCOM for sure. Look at the selection of the .458cal rifle bullets available. |
| I've got a 50 Beowulf and really like it. You can buy ammo or reload. I reaload and run from 334g to 450g so far. We just picked up a 450 Bushmaster and the factory loads shoot well, but reloads we have found are another story. calguns.net has a great thread on the 450 you should checkout for info. Having said all that, the more I work with the staight walled case big bores, the more I think I need a 458 SOCOM. If I had to do it all over again I think I would have started with the 458. |
"I'm 22 years old, i don't load my own ammo, " i'm not loading my own ammo |
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HMC, why are you having a problem with the straight wall cases? I haven't had any issues so long as I check the ammo in my case gauge to make sure it is to spec. I wouldn't mind having a .458S too, but mostly cause I have all those .45-70 bullets around to use in it. |
My Boom Room is expansive... I need to clean it out one of these days... Im giving JrKarp a safe, you want the other? Let me know... |
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I think i've narrowed it down to 6.5G, .458S or .50B... 6.5 doesnt sound much different than shooting the 5.56, so it doesnt sound too exciting, and to me, the only difference between the .458 and .50 are ammo price, 458 seems like it is almost double... where can i purchase 458 and .50 uppers? i know i can get the 50 uppers from AA but i have had a trigger on order for a month and still havent heard my status on it.... my cancel it for an RRA 2 stage |
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you do not really see beowulfs on gunbroker as much lately. I know cabelas also carries them. there is one forsale in the E.E. right now also.......there are also some dealers around that have them in stock. You should consider reloading for whichever cartridge you end up with....makes it twice as fun...... I scored tonight in the used and abused section of cabelas......Hornady 500 grn JFP XTP bullets for my Beowulf.....500 GRN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! woot woot. |
458 SOCOM can be a little tricky when you first start reloading it |
Looks like there is a guy (Dealer) selling them in the EE right now (RRA 458 SOCOMS) for a very good price I bought both of mine form Marty/Teppo Jutsu and have been very happy Something to be said for 10" of fire breathing dragon  |
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