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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Which buffer for 11.5? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/7/2010 2:28:40 PM EDT
My friends 11.5 is extracting around 1:00 with a stock carbine buffer in it. I have heard it is a better idea to use an H buffer with this setup, but can you guys tell me which buffer H, H2, H3 would be the best choice for slowing this thing down a little bit
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Quoted: I'll just leave this here. http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh100/arkansasprolawns/TungstenBuffer_LRG.jpg This. |
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I'll just leave this here. http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh100/arkansasprolawns/TungstenBuffer_LRG.jpg that is what I run. I even put it in my 18" SS WOA AR too. |
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I'll just leave this here. http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh100/arkansasprolawns/TungstenBuffer_LRG.jpg Oh Yeah. Use Spikes. It really smartened-up my 11.5. 
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I'll just leave this here. http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh100/arkansasprolawns/TungstenBuffer_LRG.jpg Not on your poll...need ST-2T |
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I'll just leave this here. http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh100/arkansasprolawns/TungstenBuffer_LRG.jpg This post http://vuurwapenblog.com/2009/12/22/oh-products/ convinced me it's worth a try for my next build. |
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I'll just leave this here. http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh100/arkansasprolawns/TungstenBuffer_LRG.jpg x2 |
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An H3 is the correct buffer for a Colt LE6933.
The Spikes buffer is full of Chi-Com granulated tungsten to keep the cost down. The granules turn to powder over time and the buffer cant function at a peak level as it breaks down. It may work fine in a rifle that gets a few hundred rounds a year through it but a select fire rifle will eat it for lunch. Solid tungsten weights make more reliable buffers because the weigh can be timed accurately and doesn't break down with use. |
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An H3 is the correct buffer for a Colt LE6933. The Spikes buffer is full of Chi-Com granulated tungsten to keep the cost down. The granules turn to powder over time and the buffer cant function at a peak level as it breaks down. It may work fine in a rifle that gets a few hundred rounds a year through it but a select fire rifle will eat it for lunch. Solid tungsten weights make more reliable buffers because the weigh can be timed accurately and doesn't break down with use.  You have a source to back that up?
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An H3 is the correct buffer for a Colt LE6933. The Spikes buffer is full of Chi-Com granulated tungsten to keep the cost down. The granules turn to powder over time and the buffer cant function at a peak level as it breaks down. It may work fine in a rifle that gets a few hundred rounds a year through it but a select fire rifle will eat it for lunch. Solid tungsten weights make more reliable buffers because the weigh can be timed accurately and doesn't break down with use. So some metamorphosis takes place and the weight of the tungsten some how gets llighter or heavier or wtf! 
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Okay , everyone is touting where the brass fall, but tell me where it would be optimum and why is there even a difference?
Also, as far as buffers go, do they get heavier as the H numbers get larger? Is the goal to run the heaviest buffer that still functions your semi rifle in order to make it most reliable and to slow down cyclic rate in FA.s? where does the Colt 9mm buffer fall in that list? Thanks for the education that is about to follow. OP I don't think this is stomping on your original post, but will probably help explain what you actually are looking for. |
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Quoted: An H3 is the correct buffer for a Colt LE6933. The Spikes buffer is full of Chi-Com granulated tungsten to keep the cost down. The granules turn to powder over time and the buffer cant function at a peak level as it breaks down. It may work fine in a rifle that gets a few hundred rounds a year through it but a select fire rifle will eat it for lunch. Solid tungsten weights make more reliable buffers because the weigh can be timed accurately and doesn't break down with use. The ST-T2 is filled with HDTP (High Density Tungsten POWDER) per Spike's website. I have run several thousand rounds through my 10.5" upper. This was on my lower with my RDIAS, so yes it has been run FA. So far no problems with it. I guess I will have to wait for the dreaded powder turning to powder problem |
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Quoted: Okay , everyone is touting where the brass fall, but tell me where it would be optimum and why is there even a difference? Also, as far as buffers go, do they get heavier as the H numbers get larger? Is the goal to run the heaviest buffer that still functions your semi rifle in order to make it most reliable and to slow down cyclic rate in FA.s? where does the Colt 9mm buffer fall in that list? Thanks for the education that is about to follow. OP I don't think this is stomping on your original post, but will probably help explain what you actually are looking for. Yes the weight of the buffers go up with H, H2, H3. I use the heaviest buffer that I can that will cycle my rifle with all of the different ammo I use. The heavier buffer slows down the bolt and reduces bolt bounce on F/A. The 9mm buffers are heavier than the H series buffers. |
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OP I don't think this is stomping on your original post, but will probably help explain what you actually are looking for. The 11.5 is a BCM shooting Centurion and XM193 and both cases are ejecting at 1:00 with a carbine buffer. The problem is even after it was sent back to BCM to have a new BCG put in it because it was stove piping before hand it was supposedly fixed and now is stove piping again. After getting it back it fired flawlessly for around 300 rounds and today it stove piped, rammed a new cartridge into the spent casing and it seems as though the action is just moving to fast. I have read how SBR's need a heavier buffer so this was were I was headed..... |
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OP I don't think this is stomping on your original post, but will probably help explain what you actually are looking for. The 11.5 is a BCM shooting Centurion and XM193 and both cases are ejecting at 1:00 with a carbine buffer. The problem is even after it was sent back to BCM to have a new BCG put in it because it was stove piping before hand it was supposedly fixed and now is stove piping again. After getting it back it fired flawlessly for around 300 rounds and today it stove piped, rammed a new cartridge into the spent casing and it seems as though the action is just moving to fast. I have read how SBR's need a heavier buffer so this was were I was headed..... Thanks I understand now. I also think I knew all this but had forgotten it since all my personal and duty SBRs run without a hitch. I still am confused about all the talk about where the casings are ejected and landing makes a difference.
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An H3 is the correct buffer for a Colt LE6933. The Spikes buffer is full of Chi-Com granulated tungsten to keep the cost down. The granules turn to powder over time and the buffer cant function at a peak level as it breaks down. It may work fine in a rifle that gets a few hundred rounds a year through it but a select fire rifle will eat it for lunch. Solid tungsten weights make more reliable buffers because the weigh can be timed accurately and doesn't break down with use. Just for some clarification, The T2 is made in the USA including the Tungsten that's inside of it, and the HDTP that we use is more expensive than the solid Tungsten buffer weights that are mass produced. The T2 isn't built cheap in any way. The T2 was tested for a year before it was released to the market, it wasn't tested under normal shooting conditions either, it we didn't think it would hold up to full-auto we wouldn't recommend it. The T2 is by far the best buffer on the market. |
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Where the cases land is a reference..... 3 to 5 o'clock is supposedly the sweet spot.
If your gun runs great spitting the brass out at 2 O'clock then if it isn't broke don't fix it. The OP is having issues so a heavier buffer might do the trick for him/her. I am sure when it is properly dialed in the recoil may feel lighter as well... which means better control and better follow up shots .02$ |
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The OP is having issues so a heavier buffer might do the trick for him/her. I am going to change it out with an H2 and see what happens, this will be a good starting point since almost everyone in the poll is going with the H2. Thats because H2 is middle ground. But it should run fine. |
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The OP is having issues so a heavier buffer might do the trick for him/her. I am going to change it out with an H2 and see what happens, this will be a good starting point since almost everyone in the poll is going with the H2. Thats because H2 is middle ground. But it should run fine. I sure hope so, kinda tired of having stovepiping issues when BCM says the carbine buffer should work just fine. Ordered an H2 this morn so we will see what happens.... |
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An H3 is the correct buffer for a Colt LE6933. The Spikes buffer is full of Chi-Com granulated tungsten to keep the cost down. The granules turn to powder over time and the buffer cant function at a peak level as it breaks down. It may work fine in a rifle that gets a few hundred rounds a year through it but a select fire rifle will eat it for lunch. Solid tungsten weights make more reliable buffers because the weigh can be timed accurately and doesn't break down with use. I’m not one to mince words, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt… You are one of two things: 1)A grossly misinformed person who spouts off complete nonsense about things in which you have zero knowledge. Or, 2)A flat out liar looking to bash a product by posting completely false information on the web. I will kiss your ass on the court house steps if you can produce anything that corroborates your statement… You cant… because EVERYTHING that goes into that buffer is produced domestically, and the tungsten is granulated for a reason… the reason is to produce a “dead blow” effect within the buffer… same as the old Colt SMG buffers that used lead shot… ETA: The buffers were developed for use with full auto… the dead blow effect slows down the cyclic rate and smoothes out the operation of the weapon by almost completely eliminating the bolt bounce that is inherent in solid reciprocating buffers…The effects in a semi-auto are also favorable and result in smoother weapon operation… And Tom still has the prototype ST-T2 in one of his FA lowers… it has tens of thousands of rounds on it and has yet to show any sign of the tungsten breaking down… You are really talking out of your ass with that shit… |
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Look at it this way. If the H2 don't work, you can easily sell it on the EE and try a different one. H buffers sell in minutes.
And even though I have some issues with Spikes, no way are they using Chi Com anything. Tom will put the best he can get into his product. |
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My friends 11.5 is extracting around 1:00 with a stock carbine buffer in it. I have heard it is a better idea to use an H buffer with this setup, but can you guys tell me which buffer H, H2, H3 would be the best choice for slowing this thing down a little bit If the gun works. Leave it as is. If this is a F/A gun then consider an MGI rate reducer. I have one in my M16 and it took it from 900+ RPM to around 750. If this is a S/A gun then slowing things down is irrevelant. |
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My friends 11.5 is extracting around 1:00 with a stock carbine buffer in it. I have heard it is a better idea to use an H buffer with this setup, but can you guys tell me which buffer H, H2, H3 would be the best choice for slowing this thing down a little bit If the gun works. Leave it as is. If this is a F/A gun then consider an MGI rate reducer. I have one in my M16 and it took it from 900+ RPM to around 750. If this is a S/A gun then slowing things down is irrevelant. If the gun worked every time I wouldn't have started this thread. It is cycling too fast and extracting the cases at 1:00, hence it will stove pipe from time to time and the BCG/Mags are not in question. So, they do recommend using an H buffer with an 11.5 and this is why I started the thread to see what folks recommend. |
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My friends 11.5 is extracting around 1:00 with a stock carbine buffer in it. I have heard it is a better idea to use an H buffer with this setup, but can you guys tell me which buffer H, H2, H3 would be the best choice for slowing this thing down a little bit If the gun works. Leave it as is. If this is a F/A gun then consider an MGI rate reducer. I have one in my M16 and it took it from 900+ RPM to around 750. If this is a S/A gun then slowing things down is irrevelant. If the gun worked every time I wouldn't have started this thread. It is cycling too fast and extracting the cases at 1:00, hence it will stove pipe from time to time and the BCG/Mags are not in question. So, they do recommend using an H buffer with an 11.5 and this is why I started the thread to see what folks recommend. Tom designed the ST-T2 to slow the cyclic rate in Full Auto; it does a good job with semi as well. I’ll tell you what; I’ll send you one of our ST-T2 Buffers for free. Try it out and report the results - good or bad - either way is fine, customer feedback is important - just report if it made the rifle shoot worse / same / or better. |
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My friends 11.5 is extracting around 1:00 with a stock carbine buffer in it. I have heard it is a better idea to use an H buffer with this setup, but can you guys tell me which buffer H, H2, H3 would be the best choice for slowing this thing down a little bit If the gun works. Leave it as is. If this is a F/A gun then consider an MGI rate reducer. I have one in my M16 and it took it from 900+ RPM to around 750. If this is a S/A gun then slowing things down is irrevelant. If the gun worked every time I wouldn't have started this thread. It is cycling too fast and extracting the cases at 1:00, hence it will stove pipe from time to time and the BCG/Mags are not in question. So, they do recommend using an H buffer with an 11.5 and this is why I started the thread to see what folks recommend. Tom designed the ST-T2 to slow the cyclic rate in Full Auto; it does a good job with semi as well. I’ll tell you what; I’ll send you one of our ST-T2 Buffers for free. Try it out and report the results - good or bad - either way is fine, customer feedback is important - just report if it made the rifle shoot worse / same / or better. Cant beat that!!! I have a feeling OP will like it. I know after the first one, I now put them in all my ARs. I even put it in my slow fire precision rifle, works like a charm. |
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My friends 11.5 is extracting around 1:00 with a stock carbine buffer in it. I have heard it is a better idea to use an H buffer with this setup, but can you guys tell me which buffer H, H2, H3 would be the best choice for slowing this thing down a little bit If the gun works. Leave it as is. If this is a F/A gun then consider an MGI rate reducer. I have one in my M16 and it took it from 900+ RPM to around 750. If this is a S/A gun then slowing things down is irrevelant. If the gun worked every time I wouldn't have started this thread. It is cycling too fast and extracting the cases at 1:00, hence it will stove pipe from time to time and the BCG/Mags are not in question. So, they do recommend using an H buffer with an 11.5 and this is why I started the thread to see what folks recommend. Tom designed the ST-T2 to slow the cyclic rate in Full Auto; it does a good job with semi as well. I’ll tell you what; I’ll send you one of our ST-T2 Buffers for free. Try it out and report the results - good or bad - either way is fine, customer feedback is important - just report if it made the rifle shoot worse / same / or better. A number of companies have been using tungsten pellets in their buffers for years, HK just to name one. Tom didn't design jack... You know what they say about imitation, its the highest form of thievery. |
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My friends 11.5 is extracting around 1:00 with a stock carbine buffer in it. I have heard it is a better idea to use an H buffer with this setup, but can you guys tell me which buffer H, H2, H3 would be the best choice for slowing this thing down a little bit If the gun works. Leave it as is. If this is a F/A gun then consider an MGI rate reducer. I have one in my M16 and it took it from 900+ RPM to around 750. If this is a S/A gun then slowing things down is irrevelant. If the gun worked every time I wouldn't have started this thread. It is cycling too fast and extracting the cases at 1:00, hence it will stove pipe from time to time and the BCG/Mags are not in question. So, they do recommend using an H buffer with an 11.5 and this is why I started the thread to see what folks recommend. Tom designed the ST-T2 to slow the cyclic rate in Full Auto; it does a good job with semi as well. I’ll tell you what; I’ll send you one of our ST-T2 Buffers for free. Try it out and report the results - good or bad - either way is fine, customer feedback is important - just report if it made the rifle shoot worse / same / or better. A number of companies have been using tungsten pellets in their buffers for years, HK just to name one. Tom didn't design jack... You know what they say about imitation, its the highest form of thievery.
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An H3 is the correct buffer for a Colt LE6933. The Spikes buffer is full of Chi-Com granulated tungsten to keep the cost down. The granules turn to powder over time and the buffer cant function at a peak level as it breaks down. It may work fine in a rifle that gets a few hundred rounds a year through it but a select fire rifle will eat it for lunch. Solid tungsten weights make more reliable buffers because the weigh can be timed accurately and doesn't break down with use. Just for some clarification, The T2 is made in the USA including the Tungsten that's inside of it, and the HDTP that we use is more expensive than the solid Tungsten buffer weights that are mass produced. The T2 isn't built cheap in any way. The T2 was tested for a year before it was released to the market, it wasn't tested under normal shooting conditions either, it we didn't think it would hold up to full-auto we wouldn't recommend it. The T2 is by far the best buffer on the market. It amazes me how much misinformation is thrown around on this site. Spikes and Chi-Com granulated tungstens, WOW, you can't even make up garbage like this. |
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My friends 11.5 is extracting around 1:00 with a stock carbine buffer in it. I have heard it is a better idea to use an H buffer with this setup, but can you guys tell me which buffer H, H2, H3 would be the best choice for slowing this thing down a little bit If the gun works. Leave it as is. If this is a F/A gun then consider an MGI rate reducer. I have one in my M16 and it took it from 900+ RPM to around 750. If this is a S/A gun then slowing things down is irrevelant. If the gun worked every time I wouldn't have started this thread. It is cycling too fast and extracting the cases at 1:00, hence it will stove pipe from time to time and the BCG/Mags are not in question. So, they do recommend using an H buffer with an 11.5 and this is why I started the thread to see what folks recommend. Tom designed the ST-T2 to slow the cyclic rate in Full Auto; it does a good job with semi as well. I’ll tell you what; I’ll send you one of our ST-T2 Buffers for free. Try it out and report the results - good or bad - either way is fine, customer feedback is important - just report if it made the rifle shoot worse / same / or better. A number of companies have been using tungsten pellets in their buffers for years, HK just to name one. Tom didn't design jack... You know what they say about imitation, its the highest form of thievery. As has been stated before; the idea came from the old Colt SMG buffers that used lead shot. They worked well, but had a limited service life due to the fact that the lead shot would eventually turn into a lead slug. The ST-T2 doesn’t suffer from that issue. The ST-T2 is our adaptation of this method. And I assure you that all diligence was taken to ensure that our buffer did not infringe on any existing patents. To the OP: The offer is open, just IM me with your shipping info if you want to try one out. |
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My friends 11.5 is extracting around 1:00 with a stock carbine buffer in it. I have heard it is a better idea to use an H buffer with this setup, but can you guys tell me which buffer H, H2, H3 would be the best choice for slowing this thing down a little bit If the gun works. Leave it as is. If this is a F/A gun then consider an MGI rate reducer. I have one in my M16 and it took it from 900+ RPM to around 750. If this is a S/A gun then slowing things down is irrevelant. If the gun worked every time I wouldn't have started this thread. It is cycling too fast and extracting the cases at 1:00, hence it will stove pipe from time to time and the BCG/Mags are not in question. So, they do recommend using an H buffer with an 11.5 and this is why I started the thread to see what folks recommend. Tom designed the ST-T2 to slow the cyclic rate in Full Auto; it does a good job with semi as well. I’ll tell you what; I’ll send you one of our ST-T2 Buffers for free. Try it out and report the results - good or bad - either way is fine, customer feedback is important - just report if it made the rifle shoot worse / same / or better. A number of companies have been using tungsten pellets in their buffers for years, HK just to name one. Tom didn't design jack... You know what they say about imitation, its the highest form of thievery. As has been stated before; the idea came from the old Colt SMG buffers that used lead shot. They worked well, but had a limited service life due to the fact that the lead shot would eventually turn into a lead slug. The ST-T2 doesn’t suffer from that issue. The ST-T2 is our adaptation of this method. And I assure you that all diligence was taken to ensure that our buffer did not infringe on any existing patents. To the OP: The offer is open, just IM me with your shipping info if you want to try one out. This is exactly why i am buying two Spikes lowers today or tomorrow, whenever I get my FFL's updated info. Really looking forward to them! |
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