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4/14/2005 6:09:36 PM EDT
I bought a YHM 2 pc Carbine railed forend a few weeks ago from Brightflashlights (great service and price, BTW) for my new Bushy Superlight. While the rail (any brand) provides much versatility, I've been thinking how it'd be if I had designed one for my application. First off, rails at 3 and 9 o'clock aren't where it's at, IMHO. They are at the wrong angle for a top sling and a flashlight sticks out like a sore thumb. The light is just waiting to get smacked on a barracade. Second the unit seems a bit heavy (actually it's only 4 oz heavier than the A2 HG it replaced). Third, while the YHM is fine, I'd like to see a trimmer unit, especially with panels installed. As we all know, the 6 o'clock rail is the cat's meow.


Why not design a unit with three rails??? Most folks don't use the top rail (I don't anyway) so a rails 120 degrees apart at 6, 2 and 10 would seem to be ideal. That would solve the sling and flashlight issues and the unit would be much trimmer and lighter. So I ask, why four rails????? Then again, maybe I'm just weird.
4/14/2005 6:24:01 PM EDT
[#1]
why don't you patent it and manufacture it you could probably sell them in the EE
4/14/2005 6:30:59 PM EDT
[#2]
My top rail is used for my flip up front sight.  Also can be used for a forward mounted optic (scout style)
4/14/2005 7:43:17 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I bought a YHM 2 pc Carbine railed forend a few weeks ago from Brightflashlights (great service and price, BTW) for my new Bushy Superlight. While the rail (any brand) provides much versatility, I've been thinking how it'd be if I had designed one for my application. First off, rails at 3 and 9 o'clock aren't where it's at, IMHO. They are at the wrong angle for a top sling and a flashlight sticks out like a sore thumb. The light is just waiting to get smacked on a barracade. Second the unit seems a bit heavy (actually it's only 4 oz heavier than the A2 HG it replaced). Third, while the YHM is fine, I'd like to see a trimmer unit, especially with panels installed. As we all know, the 6 o'clock rail is the cat's meow.


Why not design a unit with three rails??? Most folks don't use the top rail (I don't anyway) so a rails 120 degrees apart at 6, 2 and 10 would seem to be ideal. That would solve the sling and flashlight issues and the unit would be much trimmer and lighter. So I ask, why four rails????? Then again, maybe I'm just weird.




Lights and lasers work well at the 3 and 9 position (just ask the Military). I will agree that the optimal position for a light is at 1 o'clock, but it just isn't going to happen.

The YHM rails are one of the more heavier rails out there. If you wanted to save weight you should have looked at DD or LT as they are much lighter.


C4
4/14/2005 7:46:55 PM EDT
[#4]
The top rail is also there if you have one of those PQ?-?? laser tagret designator thingies to go with your night vision goggles.

4/14/2005 8:37:05 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm with npd, patent your idea and see if you can intrest someone in manufacturing it.
4/15/2005 4:57:13 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
The top rail is also there if you have one of those PQ?-?? laser tagret designator thingies to go with your night vision goggles.





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4/15/2005 5:14:51 AM EDT
[#7]

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Most folks don't use the top rail (I don't anyway)



You may not but a lot of people (particularly the military) do. As been pointed out, the YHM that you bought is one of the larger (both in weight and size) rails out there. There is also no reason you have to mount your light in the 3 or 9 position. You can always mount it in the 6 o'clock position.
4/15/2005 5:15:46 AM EDT
[#8]
If you want better features (smaller, narrower, lighter) buy a better quality rail system.

IMO Yankee Hill rail systems are lacking in just about every category, except price!

You get what you pay for.
4/15/2005 5:22:31 AM EDT
[#9]
Sounds like you'll love the ARMS SIR!
4/15/2005 6:50:13 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
If you want better features (smaller, narrower, lighter) buy a better quality rail system.

IMO Yankee Hill rail systems are lacking in just about every category, except price!

You get what you pay for.



This is primarily concerning rail location. I'm not going to pay $200 extra dollars over the YHM rail to save 2 0z! YHM quality is ok by me. It is true that some of the more expensive systems are trimmer. If YHM would make a three rail forend it would have all the benefits in regard to size/weight at a reasonable cost! BTW, I prefer a 2 pc rail so many on the market don't fit my needs.
4/15/2005 7:48:32 AM EDT
[#11]
If you're making a 3 rail system I'd rather see the rails at the 4:30 and 7:30 positions.  Those of us who use VFGs (and thus need the rail on the bottom) like to mount our lights so the thumb can press on the tailcap.

Now we have to use YHM Angled Dovetail mounts or expensive GG&G Offset Light Mounts or some other system.

If I'm putting my light at 11:00 (where I like it) it means I'm not using a VFG so I don't need the bottom rail.
4/15/2005 9:19:23 AM EDT
[#12]
That's why I like the Yankee Hill customizable tube - put as much rail, where you want it.
4/15/2005 9:47:13 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
That's why I like the Yankee Hill customizable tube - put as much rail, where you want it.



Well, I like the two piece design but it would be easy for YHM to add screw holes to the customizable tube for a 2 and 10 o'clock rail option. That's a great idea and one I bet they'd listen to the customer on.
4/15/2005 9:48:05 AM EDT
[#14]
I see the "yo mamma" poll option is doing well...
4/15/2005 9:51:45 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:


Well, I like the two piece design but it would be easy for YHM to add screw holes to the customizable tube for a 2 and 10 o'clock rail option. That's a great idea and one I bet they'd listen to the customer on.





Drill it and tap it yourself.   Cheap and easy.
4/15/2005 1:56:23 PM EDT
[#16]
why not
4/17/2005 12:45:47 PM EDT
[#17]
GG&G has a forearm that you can mount stuff at 8 angles instead of 4.
4/17/2005 1:01:52 PM EDT
[#18]
Midwest industries makes a two piece rail that is modular like the GG&G and allows you to mount and remove rails as you please and allows rail placement at the 4:30 and 7:30 positions.
4/17/2005 1:48:35 PM EDT
[#19]
I have never noticed a problem with four rails or see the point in limiting my options with one less rail. It's a complete "Non-Issue" for me.
4/17/2005 3:15:18 PM EDT
[#20]
I think that 4 rails covers the options overall pretty well.  Sure its not perfect, but what is?  I think that the GG&G rail is a good option for a 2 piece rail that allows rail placement to be customized.  I'll probably get one at some point just to try.
4/17/2005 3:23:23 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
I think that 4 rails covers the options overall pretty well.  Sure its not perfect, but what is?  I think that the GG&G rail is a good option for a 2 piece rail that allows rail placement to be customized.  I'll probably get one at some point just to try.



The GG&G is not a two piece unit, it requires removal of the delta assembly.  It and the Midwest unit (which is a two piece non-free floationg system) are good for those that don't need all the rails and who wantr a little more versatility in rail placement.  Their modularity, however, can be both an asset and a liability as the more complex something is the more that can go wrong and having to keep track of various extra parts usually means lost parts at some point.
4/17/2005 7:14:04 PM EDT
[#22]
YHM makes a customizable Free Float rail with detachable rails.

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