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2/9/2011 7:36:13 PM EDT
I have had the Primary Arms 4moa M3 clone, their M3 multi reticle clone, and now an aimpoint 2moa PRO.

Now my question is that why with the 4moa and 2moa dots they look like starburts to me, doesnt matter the brightness or what I focus on, but the dot appears perfect through my iron sights or magnifier.

Now what I find odd is that the eotech like reticle in the PA M3 multi and the other non dot reticle look considerably sharp compared just a plane dot. There is some blurring with them but they look really good especially when I'm outside aiming at a target, but the plain jane dots always look like a starburst.
2/9/2011 7:45:45 PM EDT
[#1]
Cross eye dominance with astigmatism?
2/9/2011 9:07:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Astigmatism.  It sucks but you learn to live with it.
2/9/2011 9:47:55 PM EDT
[#3]
Yep, especially since you said "but the dot appears perfect through my iron sights or magnifier."

Probably an astigmatism, its FAR more common than people realize, many people don't even realize they have them unless they use stuff like red-dot sights.
2/9/2011 9:55:08 PM EDT
[#4]
You could always move to an optic where your astigmatism doesn't come into play.  APs always looked like comet smears to me but a Trijicon TR24G is well-defined.
2/9/2011 10:06:13 PM EDT
[#5]
I have heard the kill flash makes the dot look good, but its not that bad with the aimpoint ,especially the 2 moa version.
2/10/2011 8:01:34 AM EDT
[#6]
I have the same problem with red dots.  Some seem much better than others.  The Eotechs look especially fuzzy but are perfect in front of a magnifier.  I tried putting a killflash on a Sparc to help, but it made it look worse
2/10/2011 9:01:16 AM EDT
[#7]
I had a post on this and why looking through something takes the blooming away.  It's your astigmatism and it sucks.  The Aimpoint is better because the dot is finer quality and blooms less.  You are seeing 2 or 3  dots intead of one.  As you turn it up you see 6 or seven or more at the same time.  Looking though an aperture will clear it up, but the kill flash after the dot didn't do a thing for me.  An ACOG or any illuminated reticle works fine for me, as all the red dots and holo sights are not atigmatism friendly.  Makes me want to get Lasiks in the shooting eye
2/10/2011 9:14:53 AM EDT
[#8]
Yep, it's your eyes. Why I moved away from red dot's. I love them but they don't work well with my eyes any longer. Getting old sucks.

I heard the same thing with the kill flash, but when I used them it just added yet ONE more thing to look through and confused the sight picture even more.

YMMV on that.
2/10/2011 12:57:07 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Yep, it's your eyes. Why I moved away from red dot's. I love them but they don't work well with my eyes any longer. Getting old sucks.

I heard the same thing with the kill flash, but when I used them it just added yet ONE more thing to look through and confused the sight picture even more.

YMMV on that.


I'm 19.
2/10/2011 1:50:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Yep, it's your eyes. Why I moved away from red dot's. I love them but they don't work well with my eyes any longer. Getting old sucks.

I heard the same thing with the kill flash, but when I used them it just added yet ONE more thing to look through and confused the sight picture even more.

YMMV on that.


I'm 19.


Im 22 and they look starburst to me too, I have 20/20 vision when I get checked at the eye doctor but I guess I have astigmatism too.  O well I just learn to live with it and have gotten used to it.
2/10/2011 4:28:06 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:

I'm 19.


Then it sucks to be you

Sorry just goofing with you
2/10/2011 4:43:03 PM EDT
[#12]
For me, it depends on which glasses I'm wearing. If I'm wearing my everyday glasses, major starburst. If I wear my prescription sunglasses or my shooting glasses with Rx inserts, clear as a bell.

The problem is my everyday glasses have millions of micro scratches in them from me cleaning them all the time.

I know it doesn't help you any...
2/11/2011 4:27:25 AM EDT
[#13]
Another thing that can impact the clarity is the optical center of your glasses if you have a strong prescription.  I have a high minus prescription and astigmatism.  I see very clearly through the center of the lens but if I get off the center things start to blur.  Head position and orientation and cheek weld can make a huge difference.  For me the more upright my head position the closer I look through the optical center of the lens and the clearer I see.

2/11/2011 7:53:32 AM EDT
[#14]
It's your eyes. The way you can check to make sure it's not the optic is to rotate the sight as you look through it. The "starburst" pattern will remain in the same place as the sight move, confirming it's your vision and not the sight itself.
2/11/2011 11:26:11 AM EDT
[#15]
It's your eyes.

The aperture on the rear iron sight helps to focus the dot.  it has to do with how the light bends around the aperture.

Similar to what target shooters use on their glasses.
2/12/2011 7:18:35 AM EDT
[#16]
Go to the eyedoctor and get some glasses, contacts won't work.  Its worth it.
2/12/2011 6:25:01 PM EDT
[#17]
Just a thought, I'm a rookie at this though.  When I focus my eyes on the target the dot is perfect.  If I'm just looking through it at home and my eyes focus on the dot and not through the sight then it's a huge star.  I had a hard time retraining myself with this because I got use to focusing on the front ironsight.
2/13/2011 3:21:06 AM EDT
[#18]
Both eyes open and focused on target is the answer. Don't focus on the dot.



I'm 56 and don't wear glasses and it works for me.

2/13/2011 3:36:44 AM EDT
[#19]



Quoted:


Go to the eyedoctor and get some glasses, contacts won't work.  Its worth it.


umm, contacts can correct astigmatism, i'm wearing some right now.

 
2/13/2011 3:37:10 AM EDT
[#20]
Ol Crow has it right.  I'm 45 and have very good vision but have an astigmatism.  Don't look through your Aimpoint like a scope.  That's not the way they are suppose to be used.  Look at the target and bring the dot to the target.
2/13/2011 3:49:31 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
I have heard the kill flash makes the dot look good, but its not that bad with the aimpoint ,especially the 2 moa version.


I tried by buying Red dots with the kill flashes and it doesn't help my astigmatism problems at all.

On to the eye doctor tomorrow for this same problem
2/13/2011 12:38:46 PM EDT
[#22]
i absolutely cannot use an eotech because of mine.  aimpoints are not that bad for me though.
2/13/2011 12:53:17 PM EDT
[#23]







Quoted:
Quoted:



Yep, it's your eyes. Why I moved away from red dot's. I love them but they don't work well with my eyes any longer. Getting old sucks.
I heard the same thing with the kill flash, but when I used them it just added yet ONE more thing to look through and confused the sight picture even more.
YMMV on that.

I'm 19.




I'm 19....same stuff.

 









I just get over it.
If I need a precise clear dot then it's through use with the magnifier or irons at long range.







Speed kill shots, the dot, blur or not, works.







We make it.










....Though....if I let my eyes sit and refocus, the dots all get clear. Just a matter of relaxing or straining my focus, or looking at target and not caring about the blossom.


 
2/13/2011 3:27:50 PM EDT
[#24]




Quoted:



Quoted:

Yep, it's your eyes. Why I moved away from red dot's. I love them but they don't work well with my eyes any longer. Getting old sucks.



I heard the same thing with the kill flash, but when I used them it just added yet ONE more thing to look through and confused the sight picture even more.



YMMV on that.




I'm 19.


I was senior in high school when my hair started thinning; completely bald by 21.  "Getting Old" can happen anytime.
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