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9/6/2006 5:32:29 PM EDT
I am VERY interested in this weapon:

Wilson Combat

I am new to this forum and new to the amazing world of this weapon.  I am looking for some feedback in regards to the Wilson Combat weapon in the link.  I really like the finish and have heard only good things about it.

If any of you have this rifle please provide a pic with a little review if you don't mind.

Does anyone have any idea how long it takes to ship?  I sent them an email but am still waiting on a response.

Thanks in advance and HELLO from Mississippi!!!

- Gordo
9/6/2006 5:51:42 PM EDT
[#1]
Very nice fit and finish but for the cost you could get something equal for way less..there great and I love their 1911 parts but I think even with their custom work they are way over priced...but if I could afford it id probably own a $5000 1911..damn what a contridiction
9/6/2006 5:52:58 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Very nice fit and finish but for the cost you could get something equal for way less..there great and I love their 1911 parts but I think even with their custom work they are way over priced...but if I could afford it id probably own a $5000 1911..damn what a contridiction


+1...what he said.
9/6/2006 6:01:37 PM EDT
[#3]
so what would you suggest in place of that rifle?

I will probably be adding a foregrip and an EOtech sight system as well.

My price range is roughly around the 2k mark.

Thanks!
9/6/2006 6:06:49 PM EDT
[#4]
I owned one and sold it.

Nothing special.

I also own three of their 1911's. They're nice, but Im not sure one is worth the price.

They all shoot tight groups.

I would spend the money on somthing else.
9/6/2006 6:18:18 PM EDT
[#5]
For that money you could probably get an RRA DEA/FBI rifle all decked out and with a chrome lined barrel.You could even afford a Colt 6920 and deck that all out with an Aimpoint..any quality AR from Bushmaster/RRA/Colt/STAG is gonna be more bang for your buck..CMMG rifles look real nice..figure $850 to $950 for a good quality AR and $1000 left for accessories you figure a sure fire rail system $200,tango down fore grip$60,Aimpoint$400 money left for mags or a tactical light..you could do more for less with that budget.
9/6/2006 6:24:06 PM EDT
[#6]
You are spending $2000.00 on your first AR. You have a whole host of choices
with that kind of cash.There are a lot of good buliders in the Industry section on this board
that will build one for you.If you you decide to go with the Wilson it's also a nice choice.
9/6/2006 6:25:43 PM EDT
[#7]
Stag lower, Bravo company upper, Colt bolt carrier group, LaRue rail, EOTech mount and BUIS.

It doesn't get much better than that.
9/6/2006 6:40:39 PM EDT
[#8]
For 2k, you could go with a LMT MRP  (Lewis Machine and Tool - Monolithic Rail Platform

http://www.lewismachine.net/store.php?cid=8&session=ebcae59070fcc19dd951158f9fd07b79
9/6/2006 6:45:38 PM EDT
[#9]
For that budget, you could get a RRA with all the bells and whistles already installed.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=GOVT1001&storeid=1&image=06govt.gif&CFID=6251391&CFTOKEN=35272189
9/6/2006 6:58:10 PM EDT
[#10]
Man gordo, I didn't know you were going to spend that much money.  Get two rifles instead - or get a good rifle for 800 bucks and spend the rest on magazines and ammo.  Practice ;) - gun aint worth it if you can't shoot it (this is only if you don't have money on top of the 2000 bucks for ammo and mags)  
9/6/2006 7:47:22 PM EDT
[#11]
Yeah I know that RRA is the same price but with all the goods I want.  That was why I was asking for some feedback on the Wilson.

I am pretty much torn between RRA and Wilson.

Oh the agony...
9/6/2006 8:28:06 PM EDT
[#12]
Anybody actually inspected a Wilson to see how it is made?

Staked correctly?

Gas port?

Which steel for the tube?

Twist?

Chrome?

The guy wants some facts not so much opinions about how he can spend his $2k like we did or think he should.

On that note IMHO - I couldn't fathom it.

6920 and be done or what Combat Jack said
9/6/2006 11:04:29 PM EDT
[#13]
At the moment I am about 90% sure of the RRA Pro-Series Government.  It all depends on whether or not I can get a deal on the Wilson and still be able to afford the light, foregrip, sling, EOtech and all without going over the price of the RRA.

We shall soon see...both companies are supposed to get back with me tomorrow.
9/6/2006 11:11:21 PM EDT
[#14]
Decide bt standard features.If wilson charges chrome lining as an option or you can get the RRA govt model cheaper then go RRA.Does wilson make barrels for RRA?I know wilson does make a chrome lined barrel just not sure if its standard on their M4 models.
9/6/2006 11:14:54 PM EDT
[#15]
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Decide bt standard features.If wilson charges chrome lining as an option or you can get the RRA govt model cheaper then go RRA.Does wilson make barrels for RRA?I know wilson does make a chrome lined barrel just not sure if its standard on their M4 models.


Yes, Wilson makes the barrel for the pro series government,
9/6/2006 11:20:11 PM EDT
[#16]
Wow so if the RRA is cheaper go with that .I know wilson ARs are known for no upper lower play but it will be the same with the RRA but come apart easily..so id go RRA.
9/6/2006 11:22:22 PM EDT
[#17]
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Wow so if the RRA is cheaper go with that .I know wilson ARs are known for no upper lower play but it will be the same with the RRA but come apart easily..so id go RRA.


That is my feeling too I think...wow 6-8 wk wait for delivery.  It's like christmas for an adult haha.  How do I go about ordering this gun?  Through my local dealer or what?
9/6/2006 11:32:45 PM EDT
[#18]
Wilson Combat and the Wilson company that makes barrels are unrelated.

RRA is a decent rifle, but the one I recommended is better!
9/6/2006 11:39:43 PM EDT
[#19]
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Wilson Combat and the Wilson company that makes barrels are unrelated.

RRA is a decent rifle, but the one I recommended is better!And how much do you think that will run me?
9/6/2006 11:43:48 PM EDT
[#20]
Rough estimate....

$250 for the lower (complete)
$425 for the upper
$275 for a mid length rail
$80   for the BUIS
$175 for the bolt carrier group (Gundealer3 in the EE)
$115 for the EOTech mount (optional, some people dont need it)
$20   for a charging handle

Grand total of $1340. Plus rail panels, magazines, a sling and optic.
9/7/2006 12:19:05 AM EDT
[#21]
so really...if you throw in the cost for those that aren't covered...plus the light and all that goes with it, you are looking at the same price.

I am pretty sure I am going with the RRA.

Now I just need a good place to get ammo from.
9/7/2006 4:34:36 AM EDT
[#22]
I'd also take a look at a Stag. I've got one topped off with an EOTech 512 and it's awsome. I haven't shot my Colt 6520 since I got the Stag back in early February.

BTW- Welcome to the site. Where are you located in MS? I'm in Batesville.
9/7/2006 5:07:53 AM EDT
[#23]
No doubt for that money, I'd be having MSTN or Denny, or any of the other quality builders here for that matter, build me a custom, sub-moa upper..
9/7/2006 6:38:23 AM EDT
[#24]
Keep in mind you don't have to buy from RRA Mfg and have to waite 6-8 weeks.  Many places have them in stock and sell them for less than the RRA Mfg Retail Asking price.  Do a search on Equipment Exchange for best deals and feedback.
9/7/2006 6:57:58 AM EDT
[#25]
IMHO I would contact MSTN or ADCO. For 2K I think you can get a lot more rifle from them than any ready made.
9/7/2006 7:51:21 AM EDT
[#26]
For that money, you should go to a builder like MSTN, AR15Barrels.com, Denny's Guns, etc.  You would get something better than an off-the-shelf rifle for the same money.
9/7/2006 8:05:13 AM EDT
[#27]
Might also concider CMMG who hang out on this board.  www.cmmginc.com  Many people I know think that CMMG is the tits. They have a good web site and you can see what the cost is before ordering.
9/7/2006 8:48:48 AM EDT
[#28]
FWIW, I have a Wilson UT-15 with quad rail and overall it is an excellent rifle.  It is fitted up well, the armor-tuff finish is great, and the JP trigger group is really nice.  It is as or more reliable than any other AR-15 I own or have owned with many types of ammunition having been tested in it (by me) thoroughly.  That being said, there are a few gripes (and one is not about whether it is park'd or not under the FSB, I think the armor tuff is just a wee bit better than that under there! ):

1) Barrel is 4140, and not chrome lined.
2) Quad rail is a little big in diameter to suit me.
3) It's damn expensive.

I would never give mine up, but at the same time I would not buy another one either because I can buy or build something else just as good for less $$$.  For example, if I were to spend $2000 again I would buy two Bushmasters instead of one Wilson Combat.  But there again, I won't sell mine to get two Bushmasters so that tells you that I do like it enough to keep it.  In fact, I love it, because it has never let me down.  Did I say it has never failed, ever???  I know there are plenty of other guns out there that do the same, but this one did it for me, and for that I love it.

There are a lot of fine weapons out there and everyone has just a little different take on what to do or what's best, just thought since I actually own one I would weigh in.  Good luck with whatever you decide, you can't go wrong with any of the advice you've been given already so long as it makes you happy.

Oh yeah, almost forgot, IIRC the delivery wait was about 2-3 months on the Wilson.
9/7/2006 10:14:12 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Stag lowerAny lower w/o the gay deer, Bravo company upper, Colt LMT bolt carrier group, LaRue Daniel Defense rail, EOTech mount and BUIS.

It doesn't get much better than that.
9/7/2006 10:16:41 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Stag lowerAny lower w/o the gay deer, Bravo company upper, Colt LMT bolt carrier group, LaRue Daniel Defense rail, EOTech mount and BUIS.

It doesn't get much better than that.


My deer likes does, thank you very much.
9/7/2006 1:05:56 PM EDT
[#31]
Nothing wrong with the deer at all.  Some people just can't be tactikool enough if they have that on their rifle.  Who cares if it goes bang, no?
9/7/2006 2:16:01 PM EDT
[#32]
I have owned a Wilson Combat 1911 and in IMHO they are overrated and not worth the high price.
eta: for 2k i would buy a colt.
9/7/2006 4:03:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Gordo - since you wanted a pic and I like porn:



Like I said, would not buy another one but in the rural environment where I live I have no doubt whatsoever this one will get the job done.  It is the first long gun I would grab, were I to need a long gun, but one Wilson Combat is enough $$ spent to make me buy Bushies/Stags all the other times.
9/7/2006 5:11:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Get whatever rifle you wnat and can afford. If you do choose to go with a RRA, I highly recommend Legal Transfers.  They are in the EE.  There website is www.ar15sales.com/index4.htm

Good luck and good shooting with whatever you decide on.
9/7/2006 9:35:45 PM EDT
[#35]
this is what I am thinking:


- dpms rifle (not sure which one yet)
- 5.56 NATO chamber
- chrome lined barrel with 1:9 twist (16 inch)
- flash hider
- 6 Position Collapsible stock
- daniel defense quad rail (or anything along those lines...I really like them though)
- good trigger setup (3.5# pull is ideal but not necessary)
- surefire weaponlight setup (does not have to be foregrip version)
- foregrip (I am open to suggestions)
- EOtech or Aimpoint (depends on prices..can shoot both very well)
- flip up rear sight (BUIS)

I am sure I am leaving something out...?

keep the feedback coming...it is much appreciated!!!
9/7/2006 9:41:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Out of all the fine rifle makers out there you decided on DPMS? with a $2000 budget

9/7/2006 9:43:47 PM EDT
[#37]
maybe I have been looking in the wrong places and have been given wrong price quotes, but the budget is 2k and with everything I listed that was one of the few that would actually work with everything I wanted.

Please, if I have completely overlooked something by all means link me to it or post it.  I am going by what people tell me and prices I can find.

Thanks for pointing this out.
9/7/2006 9:55:56 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
maybe I have been looking in the wrong places and have been given wrong price quotes, but the budget is 2k and with everything I listed that was one of the few that would actually work with everything I wanted.

Please, if I have completely overlooked something by all means link me to it or post it.  I am going by what people tell me and prices I can find.

Thanks for pointing this out.


I just really looked at the list you posted and now I agree some where about $425
for aim point, then a mount , rail , after market trigger two stage trigger , sure fire light,
rail .  Some cash right there, I would go with a differant rifle though, maybe a COLT
or LMT not knocking any DPMS owners and if I was looking for a 308 I would look at DPMS But as far as AR's go there are so many good makers out there. just my 2 cents
9/7/2006 10:38:28 PM EDT
[#39]
$2k for an AR15? Get a Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA, etc and put a railed forend and Aimpoint or Eotech on it and any other goodies you want. You'll still come in under 2k and have a much more "functional" rifle.
9/7/2006 10:43:48 PM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:
this is what I am thinking:


- dpms rifle (not sure which one yet) DPMS is of questionable quality
- 5.56 NATO chamber
- chrome lined barrel with 1:9 twist (16 inch)1/7 does everything 1/9 does and more
- flash hider
- 6 Position Collapsible stockTheir collapsible stock is of cheaper construction and out of spec
- daniel defense quad rail (or anything along those lines...I really like them though)DD is a good product. LaRue is probably better, but not by much
- good trigger setup (3.5# pull is ideal but not necessary)
- surefire weaponlight setup (does not have to be foregrip version)
- foregrip (I am open to suggestions)
- EOtech or Aimpoint (depends on prices..can shoot both very well)
- flip up rear sight (BUIS)

I am sure I am leaving something out...?

keep the feedback coming...it is much appreciated!!!
9/7/2006 10:44:35 PM EDT
[#41]

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Nothing wrong with the deer at all.  Some people just can't be tactikool enough if they have that on their rifle.  Who cares if it goes bang, no?


Some of the baddest dudes I have ever had the pleasure of shooting with had Stag lowers and drove around in a rented minivan....
9/7/2006 10:48:56 PM EDT
[#42]
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$2k for an AR15? hmaster,


That's what I am trying to do, but everyone keeps telling me that "____" is of quesionable quality...  but why?

I can think of every single firearm that has failed before and I can name them... EVERYTHING.

If the DPMS is so bad, please goto that forum topic and tell me why.
9/7/2006 11:01:53 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
$2k for an AR15? Get a Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA, etc and put a railed forend and Aimpoint or Eotech on it and any other goodies you want. You'll still come in under 2k and have a much more "functional" rifle.


That's what I am trying to do, but everyone keeps telling me that "____" is of quesionable quality...  but why?

I can think of every single firearm that has failed before and I can name them... EVERYTHING.

If the DPMS is so bad, please goto that forum topic and tell me why.


I have a Bushmaster with an LMT 16" M4 barrel and I am extremely happy with it. Some people seem to have problems with off color receivers though. Mine's perfect, I would heartily recommend Bushmaster rifles, but if the color thing will bug you (it would probably bug the hell out of me), you may want to see your rifle first.

members.cox.net/alien1099/m4-4.jpg
9/7/2006 11:18:11 PM EDT
[#44]
what about getting a different lower and putting a LMT CQB MRP on top?  That will run 1289 plus the cost of the lower.

Any suggestions for the lower?

I am hoping if I do this I will still be able to get the aimpoint or EOtech and add the light later.

fyi the lower by LMT is the LZE@2 (defender), it runs at 511...if I did those two together I would be right at 1800....with a few extra hundred to spend for the aimpoint and EOtech.

If I were to change the lower...what should I be looking at?
9/7/2006 11:27:07 PM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
what about getting a different lower and putting a LMT CQB MRP on top?  That will run 1289 plus the cost of the lower.

Any suggestions for the lower?

I am hoping if I do this I will still be able to get the aimpoint or EOtech and add the light later.

fyi the lower by LMT is the LZE@2 (defender), it runs at 511...if I did those two together I would be right at 1800....with a few extra hundred to spend for the aimpoint and EOtech.

If I were to change the lower...what should I be looking at?


Wow , you don't need to change the lower if you go with LMT, thats one hell of a set up.
You just took this to another level.
check these out to.

www.noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/cart2/display.cgi?cat1=19

also you might want to think about a gas piston also. I just bought this one last week.
9/7/2006 11:34:33 PM EDT
[#46]
well I am looking at a LMT lower, it will run me 511...or I might bump it down to a stag or a colt lower...I will have to wait and check the prices on those.  I am pretty much set for the upper now though.
9/8/2006 8:07:01 AM EDT
[#47]

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well I am looking at a LMT lower, it will run me 511...or I might bump it down to a stag or a colt lower...I will have to wait and check the prices on those.  I am pretty much set for the upper now though.


For the most part, lowers are lowers and they are almost all created equal. Hell you could just pick the one with the coolest logo on it. I wouldn't spend $511 on a lower when you can get a complete lower for like $200 or stripped for like $100 or less. Obviously there are going to be exceptions, but money is money and money saved on your lower can be used elsewhere. The point is with as many quality lower manufacturers as there are, there's no reason to spend $511 on an LMT unless you simply want LMT.

If you want a whizbang tactical collapsing stock (which I'm guessing the LMT comes with for THAT price), you can buy one seperately and you'll still come out cheaper. Many people recommend the VLTR stock. Magpul makes some nice stocks too. I like the looks of the LMT "Crane" stock, but goddamn the last time I looked it was like $200, and there's no reason why it should be.

Also what kind of light were you going to get? Personally I use a $17 Brinkman light from Target. Bright as hell and gets the job done and works great even after being on the gun after repeated firing. I would look into Pentagon lights if you want a great light that won't break the bank like some of the Surefires will.

For a foregrip, I just have a Knight's Armament, but the Tango down grip is really liked by many people on the board.


Quoted:
this is what I am thinking:

- flash hider - Phantom and Vortex are supposed to be the best (I have a bird cage)

- 6 Position Collapsible stock - Some people will say the cheapo RRA stocks are "out of spec" compared to Colt/LMT and stuff, but it doesn't freaking matter unless you plan on buying a stock later on that requires a Colt spec tube. If you want a "spec" tube, buy the tub enad then get your stock of choice like Voltor (spelling?), Magpull, LMT, etc

- daniel defense quad rail (or anything along those lines...I really like them though) - Good choice. I have a Grenadier Precision rail because I plan to go the gas piston route some day

- good trigger setup (3.5# pull is ideal but not necessary) - I'm not any help here I have a stock "milspec" trigger

- surefire weaponlight setup (does not have to be foregrip version) - I would look into Pentagon lights. As good as or better than Surefire for less money

- foregrip (I am open to suggestions) - KAC or Tango Down

- EOtech or Aimpoint (depends on prices..can shoot both very well) - Aimpoint has a new M4 model coming out soon I think. You may want to look into it.

- flip up rear sight (BUIS) - ARMS #40 or #40L is liked by many people and you can't go wrong with it. It's a quality BUIS.

I am sure I am leaving something out...?

keep the feedback coming...it is much appreciated!!!
9/8/2006 8:18:50 AM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Colt LMT bolt carrier group

It doesn't get much better than that.


When did LMT become better than Colt?

9/8/2006 8:21:53 AM EDT
[#49]

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If the DPMS is so bad, please goto that forum topic and tell me why.


Some of us don't require threads to reference.  We have shot DPMS rifles, and were dissatisfied.

LMT has a few minor areas of concern.  I'd use an LMT from MSTN, but I'd put a Colt BCG in it.
9/8/2006 8:23:25 AM EDT
[#50]
If I had that cash, I'd get a Colt LE6921 from Ken Elmore with a Larue rail and take the carry handle off in favor of a Troy flip rear, then save up some more for an optic.

When the 6920s come back you'll have money left for a VLTOR stock and damn near an Aimpoint on that budget.
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