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10/22/2004 7:32:21 PM EDT
I just went to a gun show this weekend.I purchased 500 rounds of wolf ammo ....To test fire thru my no ban ar 15. A brand new gun...I found that there was no coating on the bullets what so ever maybe after all the compliants they are listening..No jam No miss feed etc.Great they finally got the point...I hope it stays this way because wolf has the best price for plinking ammo..
10/23/2004 3:12:59 AM EDT
[#1]
If it works in your gun, you'll be very happy with it.  If you hava a 1:7 barrel, the 62gr stuff will function very well.  My guns eat the stuff up like candy...all of them.  
10/30/2004 9:52:34 PM EDT
[#2]
I have a 1/9 twist armalite but ..Also have a colt 1/7 twist upper with a flat top..Im impressed they dropped the coating..
10/31/2004 1:56:26 AM EDT
[#3]
Actualy the new Wolf is coated with a polymer coating. I have had great success with the stuff so far. Can't beat the price of the 62 grain stuff. Some may say "well... the steel is causing more wear on your gun" but I don't see how.

IPSC_GUY
10/31/2004 5:17:49 AM EDT
[#4]
Don't want to offend anyone here but why the hell would anyone here put Wolf thru their AR?  It's crap ammo with documented uneven powder charges, dirtiest ammo when it comes to cleaning and that laquer will build up in the chamber.  Go buy some plane jane Winchester USA in .62 grain and support an American company.
10/31/2004 5:58:22 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Don't want to offend anyone here but why the hell would anyone here put Wolf thru their AR?  It's crap ammo with documented uneven powder charges, dirtiest ammo when it comes to cleaning and that laquer will build up in the chamber.  Go buy some plane jane Winchester USA in .62 grain and support an American company.



Read the first line in IPSC_GUY's post.  

That pretty much explanes it all.

Besides an AR is just a machine, it's not some "lets place it on a pedistal and pay homage to it" thing.  Who cares if it gets dirty, it will get cleaned.  I and many others have never had any problems with laquer build up in the chamber, and now with the polymer coating we never will.  And if a round does get stuck in the chamber, it isn't the end of the world or mean that the gun is trash.  You take it home and knock it out, clean it up and take it out next week.

Uneven powder charges, ya they do, but who cares, it's blasting ammo not match.
10/31/2004 6:23:09 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Don't want to offend anyone here but why the hell would anyone here put Wolf thru their AR?  It's crap ammo with documented uneven powder charges, dirtiest ammo when it comes to cleaning and that laquer will build up in the chamber.  Go buy some plane jane Winchester USA in .62 grain and support an American company.




No Wolf for U = More for me  

The $$ I save on plinking Ammo  = More  BLING BLING Stuff  
10/31/2004 6:34:40 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Don't want to offend anyone here but why the hell would anyone here put Wolf thru their AR?  It's crap ammo with documented uneven powder charges, dirtiest ammo when it comes to cleaning and that laquer will build up in the chamber.  Go buy some plane jane Winchester USA in .62 grain and support an American company.

  For your information dumb ass, Wolf ammo is not being manufactured with a laquer coating anymore, they  have switched over to a new polymer coating.  I must also state, that If you target  shoot as much as some of us do, you will then understand why we love Wolf ammo so much. Think about, where can you buy 1000 rds. of 223 ammo for under $115. With the money I'm saving in a 6 month period, I can buy a new complete upper. (NOT THAT I WILL NEED ONE THOUGH).  Maybe you should spend more time spit shining your safe queen, being that you don't like to get her dirty and all.  
       
10/31/2004 11:16:59 AM EDT
[#8]
ditto beerbelly....also the last time i looked at my Winchester Q3131 it was made in ISRAEL !!!.
I figure in a few years i have saved so much i can buy a new car, and an upper
10/31/2004 12:26:21 PM EDT
[#9]
I just bought 1000 rounds of the new Wolf polymer coated from Ammoman.

I can't wait to test it out. Hopefully it will be here for next weekend's shoot.
10/31/2004 12:52:57 PM EDT
[#10]
I ran 1500 rds of Wolf Polymer through a 16 over two days at a FA shoot.  It's a bit dirtier than the SA I'd been using.  It also seems perceptibly lower in recoil.  We had zero stoppages, though, except those attributable to my crappy Orlites.  I subsequently bought 5k and will be picking up another 10 k soon.

I get the impression that those that bash Wolf haven't tried it.    

Sam    
10/31/2004 3:07:15 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

I get the impression that those that bash Wolf haven't tried it.    

Sam    



+1
zero stopages
10/31/2004 3:18:19 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Don't want to offend anyone here but why the hell would anyone here put Wolf thru their AR?  It's crap ammo with documented uneven powder charges, dirtiest ammo when it comes to cleaning and that laquer will build up in the chamber.  Go buy some plane jane Winchester USA in .62 grain and support an American company.


I've shot 10,000 rounds of Wolf through my Oly AR.  It works just fine for plinking.  For the price difference, I could buy a new upper every year and yet the first barrel looks perfect.  

If I want to punch paper, Wolf isn't any good.  I have my own custom load for that.  For shooting cans, it's just fine.  

Don't buy into the urban myths from the experts that have never used the stuff.  99% of it is BS.
10/31/2004 5:16:28 PM EDT
[#13]
Just went through 250 rounds of Wolf Polymer 62gr FMJ, mostly very rapid fire.
DPMS 11.5" A2 upper on an EA15 Coal Valley lower with match trigger.

Not a single problem.

Granted I keep M193 loaded at home for SHTF/home defense/homeland defense purposes, but IMO
those who refuse to buy this stuff for plinking or blasting are just being snobs. It's good stuff for the price. (paid $62 for 500 rounds, that's about a dime a round.)
10/31/2004 8:00:02 PM EDT
[#14]
i have went through about two cases of the new polymer wolf and never had a single problem.

only thing i dislike about wolf is it is ten times dirtier than more exspensive ammo and nowhere near as accurate.


but for plinking its the greatest
10/31/2004 10:12:36 PM EDT
[#15]
A little uptight beerbellybo?  Whats the matter, did your left hand turn ya down this evening.  Last I checked I didn't disrespect you by calling you a dumb ass so fuck you shithead!  I haven't shot Wolf in quite some time so I guess that I wouldn't know it's not laquered anymore.  There is a difference between the slimy-sooty fowling that Wolf leaves behind vs what is left behind by by quality american made ball or stick powder.  Pay the extra dollar fifty cheap ass and support an American company.  Your probably a freakin Kerry supporter who bitches about out-sourcing and then goes and buys foreign ammo.  
10/31/2004 11:20:58 PM EDT
[#16]
It works good and it goes bang everytime
10/31/2004 11:37:47 PM EDT
[#17]
Perfect operation, laquer or not, sealant or not.

American companies need to buckle up or they'll be bending over.
11/1/2004 5:29:16 AM EDT
[#18]
I may be heading to Iraq soon, so if the ammo is cheap and I can get some extra trigger time, then I am all for it, plus if I have any stoppages then I can practice SPORTS and other clearing drills.

Seems like a win win for me.
11/1/2004 6:26:46 AM EDT
[#19]
Works fine in my carbine for general plinking purposes.
11/1/2004 6:38:15 AM EDT
[#20]
I blast about 400 rds per range trip, I would be in the poor house if I did not use Wolf
11/1/2004 9:12:18 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
A little uptight beerbellybo?  Whats the matter, did your left hand turn ya down this evening.  Last I checked I didn't disrespect you by calling you a dumb ass so fuck you shithead!  I haven't shot Wolf in quite some time so I guess that I wouldn't know it's not laquered anymore.  There is a difference between the slimy-sooty fowling that Wolf leaves behind vs what is left behind by by quality american made ball or stick powder.  Pay the extra dollar fifty cheap ass and support an American company.  Your probably a freakin Kerry supporter who bitches about out-sourcing and then goes and buys foreign ammo.  

Tazaroo, for your information I prefer a pocket pussy. It's hands free operation and cleanup is a snap. Now for the ammo thing, frankly I don't give a flying fuck who makes it, as long as it goes bang, is reasonable in price, and it's reliable, who cares who makes it. Why should I feed my hungry battle rifles quality ammunition when I'm only punching holes in tin cans for fun? Trust me, the tin cans will never know the difference. As far as the election thing goes, I think both Bush and Kerry are knuckle heads,  no matter  who wins tomorrow, were all in for a rough road ahead. And for what's worth I'm a Republican. So go spit shine your safe queen.    
11/1/2004 9:25:15 AM EDT
[#22]
I have NOT tried the new wolf yet. The old wolf caused MAXIMUM jammage in my bushy. The mini 14 ate it right up.   Both rifles shot MINUTE OF BASKETBALL at 100 yards with the stuff.

Is the new stuff any more accurate?
11/1/2004 11:32:31 AM EDT
[#23]
Does it make a difference what type of rifle you shoot wolf out of? I am thinking about getting a DPMS, but i dunno.  Part of whether or not i get one as opposed to a bushy is how it reacts to cheap ammo.
11/1/2004 11:50:06 AM EDT
[#24]
What did your last post say Beerbellybo, I was too busy nailing my M4 in the recoil buffer tube!
11/1/2004 12:22:42 PM EDT
[#25]
Minute of basketball is about what I get from it too.  I put a scope on my DPMS this week and wanted to use Wolf to get close and then a better ammo to really zero in.  Well that was futile... at 100 yards.  Wolf was all over the black.  Looked like a shotgun hit at that range.

My experiance was:

Wolf - 4" to 5" @ 100yards.
Black Hills 69gr SMK  -   about 1.8" @ 100yards.
Winchester Supreme 55gr Silver Tip - about 1" @ 100yards.

At $0.90 per round the winchester is not practical for any type of volume shooting but damn that's the best my rifle has ever done.  Black hills is better but I'm not getting the wonderous results that other people report from it.  I can shoot close to the same with Q3131A.  Unless *reman* Black Hills isn't as good.  

Wolf... now it's entirely useless for target shooting at greater than 50 yards.  My SKS can out shoot that shit.  However it works for practical CQB shoots where targets are rarely past 50 yards, and for making noise and having fun.  No need to pay a higher cost if that's all you're doing.  As far as function... 3 stuck cases in about 3000 rounds.  Filthy chamber was the culprit 2 times.  A case that didn't shrink back was the other and it was a mo-fo to clear.  All others failures were with my crappy 20 round mags, never had a feeding problem with good 30 rounders.
11/1/2004 6:05:24 PM EDT
[#26]
11/1/2004 6:28:22 PM EDT
[#27]
Well I have shot 500 rounds of this new wolf stuff with out cleaning my gun .. No red stripe on bullet no coating on case..Not like I had a problem before at all in my colt pre ban made in  90..Then shot  200 rounds of winchester white box very little difference in bullet drop not enough to complian about at all..In fact it was prob Me moving or diff range conditions <eg wind I shot this on diff days different results> All winchester and wolf and barnul in the red at 100 yards...A bench rest would explain it  better but dont have one to lock the  riffle down.. I cleaned my gun after all that lol..This was just a test...I feed my new no ban all types of ammo  to see what it likes..I also fed it barnul ammo this is the same as wolf with the red stripe and coatings on it..  And so far Im lucky.. Armalite M4 soldier of fortune  model no ban with all the ban no oh no a bad gun added  to it from the factory with a colapsable stock 16 inch barrell  kerry beware...Awb has been resolved and this gun is new in pre ban format all the GOODIES LOL..Ps my pre ban colt sport match hbar eats anything I throw at it and so does this new ar made by armalite..So get a different gun I havent had any problems with any ammo I have tested..


Some are always the lucky ones...And we are always envyed..
11/1/2004 9:51:31 PM EDT
[#28]
I got two cases of Wolf 55 grain FMJ, shot 90 rounds sat. & sun. out of an 11", 1-9" twist, .223 chambered barrel with open sights at 100 yards I could easly keep'em in three inchs. I was just resting the handguard on a spool of twine, so it wasn't really the best bench rest setup. This ammo is as accurate as anything I have ever shot, including varios surplus mil. ammo. No jams at all, and I was useing a USA, and Orlite mag. It should be noted that I was not shooting from a "dead cold" barrel, I am sure I could do better if the barrel where allowed to cool after each shot.
11/2/2004 5:57:45 AM EDT
[#29]
I read these post and wonder why I try so hard searching for ammo.  My first AR a couple months back was an Oly.  I was strictly told to stay away from Wolf, even the new stuff.  So, I searched long and hard and bought some brass stuff here and there.  But, the more I read, I should just stick with the wolf for cheap weekend shooting.  I will still shoot black hillls for matches, but from what I am being told, the wolf won't damage my gun.  

Someone even made a good point about the money saved could buy a new upper  That makes sense to me.  Thanks for all the good reports and information.
11/2/2004 6:43:26 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
I got two cases of Wolf 55 grain FMJ, shot 90 rounds sat. & sun. out of an 11", 1-9" twist, .223 chambered barrel with open sights at 100 yards I could easly keep'em in three inchs. I was just resting the handguard on a spool of twine, so it wasn't really the best bench rest setup. This ammo is as accurate as anything I have ever shot, including varios surplus mil. ammo. No jams at all, and I was useing a USA, and Orlite mag. It should be noted that I was not shooting from a "dead cold" barrel, I am sure I could do better if the barrel where allowed to cool after each shot.



Some rifles like it better than others, but I'll bet you can get far better results from even Q3131A.  A target load it isn't but for $0.10 per round it's good practice ammo.
11/2/2004 4:37:07 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got two cases of Wolf 55 grain FMJ, shot 90 rounds sat. & sun. out of an 11", 1-9" twist, .223 chambered barrel with open sights at 100 yards I could easly keep'em in three inchs. I was just resting the handguard on a spool of twine, so it wasn't really the best bench rest setup. This ammo is as accurate as anything I have ever shot, including varios surplus mil. ammo. No jams at all, and I was useing a USA, and Orlite mag. It should be noted that I was not shooting from a "dead cold" barrel, I am sure I could do better if the barrel where allowed to cool after each shot.



Some rifles like it better than others, but I'll bet you can get far better results from even Q3131A.  A target load it isn't but for $0.10 per round it's good practice ammo.


Even though I do shoot wolf I wouldn't mind picking up some Q313A at that price where are you buying it.
Thanks
11/5/2004 5:37:56 PM EDT
[#32]
What I look for in a Ar 15. Is that it will shoot anything.So far mine do.Ive heard stories of picky guns.If I had a ar 15 that wouldn't shoot  all types of ammo .I would get rid of it.After all the Ar 15 is a survival riffle.And should be able to shoot anything.

Ok picture this say youre in a combat sitiation your life is in danger you kill your enemy and search him only to find he has wolf ammo.Well you can't use it why you have a picky ar. See what im getting at.And if you have a picky gun makes ya wonder if its practical.Or tactical. You decide.If mine wont shoot anything but a certain brand or a few select.....Im getting a different ar 15..Or find out what the problem really is... Whether it be a magazine or a barrell etc..Just a thought..




A SURVIVAL WEAPON  AR 15
11/8/2004 5:21:44 PM EDT
[#33]
Ok added a  voting option here..
11/8/2004 8:47:12 PM EDT
[#34]
We have shot an awful lot of Wolf ammo in our ARs.  Some ARs with tight chambers don't like it, and the steel case does wear the extractors more quickly, as in about 2K rounds instead of 3K.  Velocity on the 62 grain load is a little slow, like 2650 to 2700 FPS, and the best I have ever gotten for grup has been about 2" or a little more.  For plinking, training, and CQB type stuff it's fine.  I'll be buying more, no doubt.

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