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Posted: 8/6/2006 9:05:46 AM EDT
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So a friend of mine is talking to me yesterday and says "Dealer 1 and Dealer 2" in town both tell me Wolf is bad for the AR's, so I will not be plinking with it anymore and will just store it for now. So, my questions is, IS it bad for the rifle (I have a DPMS M4gery BTW)? I have shot several hundred rounds through mine with no issues at all. I DO know it shots dirty, thats a fact I have experiance with. Other than that, whats the deal? The steel case? What? I'm just a bit concerned since I stil have quit a bit left. If I need to, I will start buying something else, brass cased of course. Maybe try that surplus guatamalian (sp) stuff. Thanks! |
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Some AR's may not function well with Wolf but I do not see how it could be "bad" for the gun. Some people say the steel case wears the extractor faster but I don't think the steel case of the shell is as hard as the extractor so I am skeptical about that. Believe your own experiences befor a gun dealer. Besides, If I am wrong an extractor is a small price to pay for saving a lot of money by plinking with Wolf. |
| I heard that same BS at my local fun store.......I bought my second case this summer and the guy tells me that I will regret using it. He said that he shot several hundred rounds thru his Rock River and now he is having problems with it jamming. I asked him if he cleaned it between shooting sessions. His reply was, "No I have never cleaned it." So there you have it. Shoot all you want. Just remember to clean it. |
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I am working through my first case of wolf. I sent about 300 rounds downrange with my Bushmaster A2. Not a single problem and its some of the most accurate ammo I ever shot. I hate arfcom for making me stay away from wolf all this time. I'll never listen to you people again. |
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I tried a case of 1000 rounds several years ago. I found that if a loaded round was allowed to sit in a hot chamber for a while that round would fail to extract when fired. Its a malfunction i have been able to duplicate in many rifles, even rifles the owners claimed were reliable with wolf. Now if your training and recreational shooting doesnt even get the gun really hot, and then allow a loaded round to sit in the chamber, then it wont be an issue for you. If you want to try it for yourself run about 90 rounds through the carbine fast, chamber a loaded round then set it aside while you eat lunch. then fire and see if that casing extracts normally or sticks. Your rifle might work fine. Many will not. I will not shoot wolf at any price. If you gave me a case i would sell it to someone but I wouldnt use it in my guns. |
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When we say that ammo is "bad" for a gun the implication is that there is a potential to damage part or all of the firearm. It is clear that Wolf Poly does not work (ie., perform) well in all ARs. This is not news. Most all of this is a due to: chamber dimensions (.223 vs 5.56), chamber finish, or marginal port pressures. Some of these things are easily remedied (eg., new gun needs breakin, chamber needs polishing). Some are not. But............none of the above makes the ammo "bad" for your AR. The accelerated extractor wear concern remains a unicorn. I have yet to read of a well-documented KB that can be unequivocally traced to a Wolf case head failure. Even squibs are relatively non-existent. Moreover, consider that Wolf wears the same albatross as Bushmaster.......because there is so much of it in use any problems reported seem magnified. Ie., there is no way to set the denominator of an anecdote, is there? Does anyone really believe that SA, UAE, XMPD, Radway, or Guat are less likely to hurt their gun than Wolf? Well, I don't. Am finishing my 10th case. No failures, no parts broken. Uh, no, the worn throat on my shorty doesn't count as a broken part. The general admonition (Troy's wisdom) with surplus is to buy a sample and see if it works in your gun. If it works run back and buy it up. We understand and accept this minor inconvenience. So why would anyone take offense at the need to do this with Wolf poly? OK, rant off. Sam |
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+1 to what FMJ said, both the poly coated stuff and the M193 are 100% for me in new or worn guns. Shot some form of wolf or another in most of mine. The only rule I have is I won't shoot the steel cased stuff in my 4140 non-chrome lined barrels. But I'd say even that is alright. Try it and if your gun likes it, let the lead fly. So what if you wear out an extractor after 10K rounds hinking.gif |
No Wolf is not bad for your rifle, no matter what anybody tells you. Weather or not it will cycle you AR is another story. If it works for you shoot it, if it doesnt, dont. But dont be afraid of ruing your rifle. I shoot Wolf in all of my guns, never, ever have I had a problem. Travis |
Contact me so we can work something out with your WOLF ammo, I will purchase and/or trade you a reasonable value if you are interested, IM me through the site, I can't get enough of the Wolf, great for plinking if your rifle likes it |
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Well FWIW, I have shot probably 2k of wolf in my ARs, never had an issue UNTIL last weekend. Was shooting AE .223 for quite a while and had one mag of wolf left (the new poly stuff) so off I went.. loaded the next mag with wolf in it, round went bang.. next round didnt load. Sure enough.. stuck wolf case in the chamber. Oh well.. it was my last mag of the Wolf anyway.. glad I burned it up and all was well. Took a while to get that case out.. but it came out fine and no damage done. I read a few other places that this is a common problem, Shoot brass then wolf and the wolf cases get stuck.. no idea if its true or not but I have enough quality stuff stored now that I wont be going back to Wolf. Side note.. that American Eagle stuff is nice AND an added bonus, I have noticed that the last 2 cases I got have LC Brass. Good for us reloaders. |
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