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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - XM177 Moderator (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 12/17/2013 4:18:49 PM EDT
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Brick wrote me once but I lost the IM.
Is he still making the moderator clones? Thanks, Dave N |
| I really liked what little of Indiana I saw back in '90 when I moved west. I stayed the night in a wonderful, wooded campground just off Route 80 then drove south the next day to Auburn and walked through the Auburn / Cord ? Duesenburg museum. Definitely would like to go back. |
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There are 2 companies that make a real nice slip over Moderator High Powered Armory and Tony's Customs.
I purchased one of both the HPA is light weight and the TC is a little heavier. Both are very nice if you want to slip one over your 16" barrel. In my opinion nothing compares to the ready to rock HPA .625 XM barrel with pinned mod. I know we will get the no don't my cousins, uncles aunts brother bought one and their hand writing was sloppy on the box. I am simply saying I love mine but for the quick slip over the TC or HPA is a real cool look. |
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There are 2 companies that make a real nice slip over Moderator High Powered Armory and Tony's Customs. I purchased one of both the HPA is light weight and the TC is a little heavier. Both are very nice if you want to slip one over your 16" barrel. In my opinion nothing compares to the ready to rock HPA .625 XM barrel with pinned mod. I know we will get the no don't my cousins, uncles aunts brother bought one and their hand writing was sloppy on the box. I am simply saying I love mine but for the quick slip over the TC or HPA is a real cool look. I will not deal with HPA. I recommend you don't either. |
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I will grab one of the guns out of the Vault tomorrow and snap a picture so you can get an overall idea how it looks.
As far as Morg following his comments it's clear he rates this opinion on 3rd party hear say. I have never seen him actually rate a product he purchased. just sits on a high horse and commands his troops to whatever he says. Glad I never took any of his advice he down talked a lot of great companies that I got great product from. I know he has a lot of friends on here but myself and numerous other members no longer respect his opinion. Feel free to IM me again Morg if you want to hash it out again but you know what your doing and you know it's not right. I'm here to rate products I've purchased and share pictures and look at all the cool builds. Not to have to be stocked by a grown man every time I share my experience. No one asked for an opinion what you would or would not do I simply stated I got a nice Mod from different vendors. When you are actually speaking of quality of an item that you own and it is honest I'll be happy to take that into consideration. Until that stop stalking my posts  [
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Mine is based on having the product in my hand as an actual consumer. Yours is strictly based on hiding behind your keyboard down talking product you don't own or intend on owning.
As long as HPA and other Vendors make great product that suits my builds I will be more then happy to share mine. I would encourage you to do the same. I will be more then happy to be the pawn of any company with great products but grown ups call it happy consumers and the other half I guess call them Pawns. This down talking people isn't so fun when others are in the room that are tired of hearing it is it? |
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As you well know, my opinion of HPA has nothing to do with the quality of their merchandise and everything to do with the quality of the their customer service. You are friends with HPA, I am friends with people he treated poorly. I heard and saw enough that I will not deal with him, no matter how nice his stuff is, and no matter what it costs. That's my opinion. Your experience has been that he's a great guy and has great products. Good for you. I reserve the right to express my opinion, no matter what you say about me. I told you and your pal (that is if you aren't really the same guy) that I could care less what you think of me. I just don't want to see more people have trouble. Maybe they won't. I hope not.
As far as reviewing products, when I have a good experience with a vendor, I tell people here about it. I will stick with Brick's moderators as a result. You are welcome to do what you want. I find it interesting that you have been the one talking smack, whereas I simply expressed an opinion - something I will continue to do. If you don't like that, too bad. |
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Morg I would bow out gracefully your only making it worse on yourself buddy. If you want to continue the conversation IM me so we aren't stomping this mans thread. He is asking a legitimate question and everyone is providing a legitimate answer except you. I gave him a legitimate opinion. I have no interest in speaking with you or your friend further. My recommendation is Brick's moderator. Have a nice day. |
| ive always got great service and products from HPA and from what i can see is that morg308 is the only one standing in the dissatisfaction line, which i find funny based on his comments that he has never personally purchased or dealt directly with HPA himself. i just went through dealing with HPA on them building me a custom 7.62x39 ar build and love it and had a great expeience. i will continue to use HPA in the future as needed. |
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ive always got great service and products from HPA and from what i can see is that morg308 is the only one standing in the dissatisfaction line, which i find funny based on his comments that he has never personally purchased or dealt directly with HPA himself. i just went through dealing with HPA on them building me a custom 7.62x39 ar build and love it and had a great expeience. i will continue to use HPA in the future as needed. Gunz shoot me a PM |
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First comment I made about my dealings were immediately met with speculation. Eventually this section will get back to being fun again. I don't want any beef with any members I just want to answer questions from other members and not be immediately shot down when I do. Just a little respect would be nice.
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| ar15builderohio, I don't have a dog in this fight. I was going to ask what other product info 48GUNZ had for HPA's products as he seems to live in the same state. That being said, you behavior is vary interesting. This is the Retro forum not GD. I don't post much but have been following the retro forum for a number of years and building a collection of retro rifles with the knowledge I have gleaned from the members post including Morgs whom I never noticed to have a list of approved venders, just useful information so I can make informed decisions. I think Morg may have wisely bowed out of this thread and I will do the same. |
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Yeesh! I thought this was supposed to be a friendly group. Anyway , back on topic , what about the one's on GB from Primary Industries? we are a friendly group. 
unfortunately this seller has had issues in the past with customer service and even had to get an attorney to post here on his behalf to get everything sorted out. in the end, i don't *think* anyone got ripped off, they either got what they paid for or a refund. it's the way that he handles business that is offputting to some. if you look at his gunbroker feedback, there are many members who's only negative is from him and they are the buyer. his MO is to leave retaliatory feedback if negative feedback is left for him. a lot of his supporters seem to be newer members to the site and from his homestate which causes some to take their feedback/experiences with a grain of salt. especially since he had his attorney create an account on ar15.com under similar circumstances. he may just treat his local guys different than people on the internet. his GB feedback has definitely improved with only 1 negative in the past 120 days http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.aspx?User=896681 i've got no dog in the fight but i choose to spend my coins with sellers that don't have a history or bad customer service. an old thread in case you are bored and want to read 7 pages of drama http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/602685_Beware_of_Highpowered_Armory_selling_on_Gunbroker.html another thread: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=7&f=127&t=1212561 |
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Can you post a link so we can check them out? here's the one from primaryind http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=382939825 iirc, they are the ones bushmaster used to sell. i think the consensus here is that brick's are the closest to the original w/ the weld bead and wrench flats. |
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No, don't have time for that crap. But I do have Brick's and am very pleased with it. I have bought from PrimaryInd in the past as well as Wonderboy and have great experiences with all.
Heres the 5-1/2" that I was talking about http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=383040958 |
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Great links boywonder it only confirms that this forum is for cheap shots when no one is looking that exact thread is how I heard of HPA. After reading threw 7 pages it was clear to see it was a bunch of cry babies who got refunded for out of stock items.
That is a real business and after reading it I ran to doing business with them. I was charged 17% restocking from Spikes 20% from Rguns after waiting 7 months with nothing. If I would've got 100% of my cash back from these companies I sure wouldn't be crying about it. I seen not one person say they were scammed out of their money and I am sure you read it the same way I did. The second one shows a barrel extension off of a barrel who took it off, why was it taken off, why wasn't there pictures of it on the barrel and as he stated he had someone work on it then asked for a refund but never asked for one prior to working on it. I call BS. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves the way you carry on and act. Especially you Morg comparing to a child molester and rapist are you kidding me. Gunz check out the link posted read it as an unbiased consumer and see what you think because it took me about 5 minutes to see 2 people complained about getting a refund and from the dates it was within days and no one complained of restocking. Is HPA even a member of this sight anymore or did they get the hint that you can't argue with people that don't think logical just the acts of being malicious. Boywonder please point me in the right direction if I'm off track as I see a lawyer acting on behalf of HPA attempting to get to the truth and resolve any and all outstanding issues with not one person stepping forward with a legitimate case then he was suspended per a moderators comment. This goes to show no one cares about the truth as that right there completely trumped 7 pages of lies and cheap shots. How come this is the only forum sight I see negative reviews on and only by the same 5 non customers. Are you guys ready to give up with this yet cause it's getting real old. If anyone can point out something that shows different please point it out to me and I will be glad to apologize for ranting but enough is enough. I sand behind this company the same way I will stand behind Phil Robertson. I have no dog in this fight but when I see grown men acting like this I can't hold my tongue. |
| I see numerous picture threads and gunbroker auctions with their XM177 uppers and failed to find one post with a complaint so maybe it's time for everyone to stop living on rumors and look at the facts then the forum can get back to being fun, informative and friendly because as long as lies are spread and speculation about anyone no matter who that hasn't been proven I won't hold my tongue and I would expect the rest of you not to spread false misleading info about anyone. Save it for the barber shop. |
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archrival and nemesis of boywonder777, with powers comparable to boywonder777 What powers you ask? I dunno how 'bout the power of flight? That do anything for ya? That's levitation, holmes. How 'bout the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away... with mind bullets! That's telekinesis, Kyle. How 'bout the power to move you?-- Tenacious D |
| Go back in the closet Morg when your wrong that is the only defense. Everyone is HPA he is all around. You can't deny the truth and the truth is no longer what you want to spin it into. You have lost a lot of respect on this forum for your 3rd party opinions. Don't forget to tell the forum as you told me that your grudge with HPA is because you said he called your friend a name 6 years ago. I will use this forum and never battle anyone as long as questions can be asked and answered without your 2 cents about a company or product you don't have first hand knowledge of. |
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Go back in the closet Morg when your wrong that is the only defense. Everyone is HPA he is all around. You can't deny the truth and the truth is no longer what you want to spin it into. You have lost a lot of respect on this forum for your 3rd party opinions. Don't forget to tell the forum as you told me that your grudge with HPA is because you said he called your friend a name 6 years ago. I will use this forum and never battle anyone as long as questions can be asked and answered without your 2 cents about a company or product you don't have first hand knowledge of. What the hell are you talking about? Nevermind. You never made sense. If you care so much about this forum, why don't you purchase an AR15.com membership? Let me guess - then we'd find out who you REALLY are. Not that some of us don't already know. I'm out. Oh, and I simply gave my opinion. You're the one who got nasty. As far as I'm concerned, we can agree to disagree, but I won't buy from HPA. You can do what you want. |
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Great links boywonder it only confirms that this forum is for cheap shots when no one is looking that exact thread is how I heard of HPA. After reading threw 7 pages it was clear to see it was a bunch of cry babies who got refunded for out of stock items. That is a real business and after reading it I ran to doing business with them. I was charged 17% restocking from Spikes 20% from Rguns after waiting 7 months with nothing. If I would've got 100% of my cash back from these companies I sure wouldn't be crying about it. I seen not one person say they were scammed out of their money and I am sure you read it the same way I did. The second one shows a barrel extension off of a barrel who took it off, why was it taken off, why wasn't there pictures of it on the barrel and as he stated he had someone work on it then asked for a refund but never asked for one prior to working on it. I call BS. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves the way you carry on and act. Especially you Morg comparing to a child molester and rapist are you kidding me. Gunz check out the link posted read it as an unbiased consumer and see what you think because it took me about 5 minutes to see 2 people complained about getting a refund and from the dates it was within days and no one complained of restocking. Is HPA even a member of this sight anymore or did they get the hint that you can't argue with people that don't think logical just the acts of being malicious. Boywonder please point me in the right direction if I'm off track as I see a lawyer acting on behalf of HPA attempting to get to the truth and resolve any and all outstanding issues with not one person stepping forward with a legitimate case then he was suspended per a moderators comment. This goes to show no one cares about the truth as that right there completely trumped 7 pages of lies and cheap shots. How come this is the only forum sight I see negative reviews on and only by the same 5 non customers. Are you guys ready to give up with this yet cause it's getting real old. If anyone can point out something that shows different please point it out to me and I will be glad to apologize for ranting but enough is enough. I sand behind this company the same way I will stand behind Phil Robertson. I have no dog in this fight but when I see grown men acting like this I can't hold my tongue. Quoted:
Great links boywonder it only confirms that this forum is for cheap shots when no one is looking that exact thread is how I heard of HPA. After reading threw 7 pages it was clear to see it was a bunch of cry babies who got refunded for out of stock items. That is a real business and after reading it I ran to doing business with them. I was charged 17% restocking from Spikes 20% from Rguns after waiting 7 months with nothing. If I would've got 100% of my cash back from these companies I sure wouldn't be crying about it. I seen not one person say they were scammed out of their money and I am sure you read it the same way I did. The second one shows a barrel extension off of a barrel who took it off, why was it taken off, why wasn't there pictures of it on the barrel and as he stated he had someone work on it then asked for a refund but never asked for one prior to working on it. I call BS. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves the way you carry on and act. Especially you Morg comparing to a child molester and rapist are you kidding me. Gunz check out the link posted read it as an unbiased consumer and see what you think because it took me about 5 minutes to see 2 people complained about getting a refund and from the dates it was within days and no one complained of restocking. Is HPA even a member of this sight anymore or did they get the hint that you can't argue with people that don't think logical just the acts of being malicious. Boywonder please point me in the right direction if I'm off track as I see a lawyer acting on behalf of HPA attempting to get to the truth and resolve any and all outstanding issues with not one person stepping forward with a legitimate case then he was suspended per a moderators comment. This goes to show no one cares about the truth as that right there completely trumped 7 pages of lies and cheap shots. How come this is the only forum sight I see negative reviews on and only by the same 5 non customers. Are you guys ready to give up with this yet cause it's getting real old. If anyone can point out something that shows different please point it out to me and I will be glad to apologize for ranting but enough is enough. I sand behind this company the same way I will stand behind Phil Robertson. I have no dog in this fight but when I see grown men acting like this I can't hold my tongue. i wouldn't call it cheap shots. looking at the way he did business, it's less than professional. there have been many documented cases where he sold items, took the item, failed to deliver yet resold the same item that wasn't instock for more money. for example here: Won 10 uppers,in 2 auctions at PRE PANIC prices $355-$379. HPAHOLESALES thwarted my deal to sell for $100 more. Ironically gets positive feedback from the $499 buyers like #325227543 BEWARE UNETHICAL!
Response: (left on 3/20/2013) We called to verify the vendors license the buyer attempted to submit us and the owner of the business said no one had permission to use his license. why would a buyer need to supply a vendors license for an upper? what is a vendors license? that buyer has 151+ feedback until he bought from HPA and now has 2 negatives: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.aspx?User=335777 Buyer beware. All items were supposedly in stock and ready to go. Several attempts to get him to ship. 42 days later he said sorry and sent a refund. FRAUD!
Response: (left on 2/4/2013) Things are hectic for everyone considering other companies are shipping within 8-12 months and we are shipping in weeks. This guy demanded we skip everyone ship his first we issued a full refund. Follow Up: (left on 2/28/2013) I only asked for what I paid for which was supposed to be "in stock". You told me several times it would ship "next week". You did the same thing to MANY others. Just look at his feedback. same story, won auction that was instock to have the same item resold for more. again only negative from HPA w/. 51+s http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.aspx?User=2287431 AFTER 50 DAYS/SEVERAL EMAILS TELLING ME I WOULD DEFINETLY RECIEVE MY ITEMS HE SENDS ME A REFUND, BOUGHT ITEMS DEC17TH PRE/SANDY PREMIUM PRICE/RESOLD SAME ITEMS POST MY PURCHASE AT $100 MORE, SCAMMER!
Response: (left on 2/11/2013) Pretty serious statement can you forward the auction number for this barrel that sold for 100 more and feedback has been left. Why Lie it doesn't exist. We pulled items when they sold out. Follow Up: (left on 2/11/2013) As of our last communication I was willing to wait the additional 2 to 3 WEEKS! for my items!I never accused you of stealing just your integrity,check auction#323241216, 323297909,just wantd my items same story, won auction that was instock to have the same item resold for more. again only negative from HPA w/. 51+s http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.aspx?User=1527393 Bought & paid for. Seller said backlogged on shipping. After 6 weeks & many emails seller said refund issued.He Re-listed and sold for more.
Response: (left on 2/4/2013) Sent a check with no item number, no description or anything on it so we sent it back then he called and screamed he was retired and had no money and was broke but needed this upper. Im confused Follow Up: (left on 2/7/2013) Outright lie, sent complete copy of gun broker page, spoke with wife on phone. My wife mad because of rip off and not lack of money.Sent refund not item. Bought from some else, twice the price. Thanks i could go on and on with examples like this from different buyers. these are people that fulfilled their end of the contract by paying for an item that was listed as instock only to receive negative feedback. that is retaliatory. just look at his feedback and sort by rating http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.aspx?User=896681 like i stated above, he does seem to have improved his customer service or at least is fulfilling orders. |
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