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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - XM193 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/24/2005 2:59:05 PM EDT
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Just got my 1K of XM193 (not XM193PD) Something I thought was odd was if this is lot #76 as printed on the box, why is there ammo packaged in the same box with 01 02 and 04 date stampes in them? I would think they would all be of the same date, or am I missing something here? Something else I notice what appears to be excess glue around the seal of the boxes. Im starting to wonder if this wasnt PD put in boxes, then glued shut. Which wouldnt be a problem had I not paid the premium price for the XM193, not the PD. Thanks |
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He bought it from Ammoman.com Another (nothing new) dumbass mystery.Please send it back and we will sell it to someone that actually shoots the ammo. He wants someone to make it right. Make what right? Let's see, we had these little boxes made and stuffed them with XM193PD (what a laugh) Some guys won't be happy until they can't get a damn thing. Everyone listen up loud and clear. We sell it as we get it and we sell to shooters.This has to be some of the best ammo on the market at this time, even though the little boxes have some extra glue on it and the headstamps might vary. We will be glad to take it back and offer a full refund and take you as far off our list as we can get. This does not mean we won't take good care of anyone that has a real gripe and not this beauty contest bullshit. I hope with this post we can weed out some of the nonsense buyers who say they will never buy from Ammoman again and get back to selling to real shooters.Where does it say all same year.?Where does it say boxes have an even amount of glue? Guess what.............we don't want the PITAsses. Read the return policy, better yet read this part:"We do not make it and we do not inspect each and every one of thousands of cans and cases we ship. We will however, still guarantee the items." If this response seems harsh, good.It's intended to weed out the beauty contest contestants. Flame away.We have heard most of it before. Eric the ammoman |
Ive been buying XM193 and for as long as I remember it has always had mixed date stamp...maybe thats why its called XM193 . No real clue , but it works fine . I imagine that this ammo is put together with cases that for some reason were extra it could easliy be the reason it is sold to you and me . The military has a system of classifing ammo , and I dont think anything but the correct date HS makes it into Military Stores . There were (25 years ago ugg) as a rifle range coach crazy rules for ammo...IF a sealed box (the metal ones) was opened it would never go back into the depot even if it could be used tommorow ! SO since it had to be used up b4 end of day we'd let/ make the UNKs practice w/it . And 'sometimes' the coaches would just shoot it up on full auto at the 200yd line  . which means we didnt hit anything except the ground and sky the offical story was "were praticing for FPF (final protective fire) and just dumping it as fast as it would go . RL
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Yeah, what he said. Eric, I'll buy that guy's ammo after he returns it to you. I don't need more, and don't usually buy from you, but it's a matter of principle you know. You're right when you say that some people won't be happy until they can't get anymore........what thoughts run through the minds of the Federal folks when they hear claims of pretzels being in their ammo? Product liability is a bitch, particularly in these times when anti-gun anything lawsuits are being shopped around to friendly courts. Federal is up to thier ass in GOV orders, how far do they need to be pushed before they just disassemble and or scrap the ammo we currently get as "X" m-193. Hang in there. |
I agree your email is a little harsh seeing how my post was not rude, nor shitty, just simply asking some questions. Nice to see how you respond to your paying customers questions. After all you do advertise this ammo as new "factory sealed" ammo With that in mind, please expain the different head stamps, or can you? If you have people tell you they would never buy from you again I can see why with the way you have treated me. Did I ask for a refund??? not at all. As a matter of fact, I packaged it up in ammo cans and put it up for storage before I even posted this thread. My intent was not for a refund, but rather for me to let you know what I recieved, so something could be done about it, if needed. Hell for all I know you recieved it like that. It doesnt matter,,,,, if you want to be that way, your business. Have a nice life,,, And by the way,,,, I will take my $$$ elsewhere, even if I have to pay extra  |
Thats mean , how do you think AMMOMAN will sleep tonight  ...hint , Like a rock
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Who said ammoman sells bumb ammo? Everything I have purchased goes bang too. Its the misrepresentation of a product, and very poor customer service I can do without. |
Me freaking too. I rip the box open.I bend the plastic divider from side to side, into a can, until i have about 3 to 500 rds.Then i grab them by the handfull and load up the mags. This stuff rocks.I am not too sure how accurate it is since i shake like a leaf.That's a minor medical problem, i hope. Federal is going to get tired of the commercial side.They already are and ship most to LE and military contracts.I don't think that's just an accident, but might have something to do with less liability. If i was Federal and saw that pretzel thread, i would wake up at night in a cold sweat. The anti's love to read shit like that. We are a dying breed and sometimes the reason is obvious. I hope to retire before it's too late. Look around some of you crybabies, the end might be near but you wouldn't know it if it bit you in the ass, whatever small part you play in it. It doesen't have to come from the top.Look at MD, NJ, VA, MA, HI, and IL. Lets see, how many more states can we afford to move to? Eric the ammoman |
| I have bought 10K+ rounds from several reputable companies, Ammoman being one of them. I always buy PD because it has always been very accurate for me, and I can load the stripper clips quicker by not having to open all those boxes. I to have wondered why there are mixed date stamps, but since I have NEVER had a FTF or FTE, and always better than expected accuracy, I just consider it one of life’s little mysteries. |
Exactly, Ken. And he wonders why he got a harsh response. Real men get good customer service.We save the shitty customer service for the crybaby whiners. Sorry, man, i have to call it like i see it. Next time e-mail me with the question (before you post this busllshit and see the attitude change) BTW don't try to say you did e-mail first. Eric the ammoman |
Man, you could have accomplished the same thing just by pointing out that cases sometimes ship from factory with varying head stamps-and not have been a condescending a** in the process. |
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The reason they are marked on the box, and stamped is for tracibility reasons. This way if there was a problem / recall, they know which lots to quarantine, and isolate. I myself work in quality systems in the automotive industry, and tracibility is a MUST, and I couldnt imagine something such as mil spec ammo being anything less. When lots are mixed, all tracibility is lost, which creates larger problems for the manufactures. I cannot see LC mixing lots.... Also, this was the first case out of many (not all from ammoman) that I have ever recieved mixed dates in. Oh yeah,,, and this has nothing to do with a pretzel |
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Exactly, Ken. And he wonders why he got a harsh response. Real men get good customer service.We save the shitty customer service for the crybaby whiners. Sorry, man, i have to call it like i see it. Next time e-mail me with the question (before you post this busllshit and see the attitude change) BTW don't try to say you did e-mail first. Eric the ammoman Check your email , it was sent! |
I thought it was appropriate. I will buy more to make up for your lost business. It will all balance out. |
You need to read my original post Where did I emply Eric did anything? I didnt mention his name, and I also left it very vauge implying he couldve recevied it that way. Please read carefully before you post. |
you obviously havent bought much XM193 then, because just about every box i have ever opened has mixed date headstamps. |
Great post! Anybody too ignorant to appreciate XM193 and understand what it is should buy that nickle-plated commercial bullshit for like $0.60/round. I love that ammo. Once I get a few more cases of 7.62NATO under my belt, I hope to buy some more of it. |
| Well, I now know a little bit more about ammoman, and he won't be seeing any more of my money either. Why go out of your way to be a jerk to people? I have to deal with enough of that at work every day. I'm sure not going to choose to support someone who acts that way with my money. |
trust me, he wont miss your business. there are enough guys like me who will by from him BECAUSE he told a whiner to shut up. |
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I'm beginning to think that the assorted LC head stamps maybe due to Federal already spec'ing the ammo...prior to packaging. Of the M193 I've ordered so far (from SG), only the Oly had a slew of problems, in that quite a few wouldn't spec (yes I check them because one of my AR's has a match chamber). With regards to the PD, I'll let you in on a little secret...It passes in my book and I'll definitely buy more. Out of 500 rounds, I had only 2 or 3 that wouldn't 'drop' into the cartridge guage. ar15_finatik |
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Here's a dirty little secret: Do you guys know why commercial ammo has no date stamps? The reason is because that brand new ammo you bought may be 6 months or 6 years old, and may be mixed lots. Without dated headstamps, how would you know? You can't. What happens is that ammo manufacturers will make a large run of a particular loading, and then they may not make that loading again for several years. The ammo will be stored unboxed, and boxed up as needed, so if there is a packing change, they don't have a big inventory of the old stuff. As for XM193 and XM855, it's all left-overs and QC-fails. Rounds that don't pass QC checks are routed to big bins, and later (often years later), ammo from those bins is boxed up and sold, based on grade. The boxed XM193 is higher grade than the bulk-packed XM193PD (same with XM855), but it's still not Grade 1 ammo. All Grade 1 ammo is going to the military. -Troy |
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He didn't come on here shouting Ammoman may have done this or that, did he? He asked why there were various dated headstamps in the same box and speculated as to how that might have happened. I understand that Eric has EARNED a very good reputation on this board due to his service and selection. I also remember when he was selling the Indian .308 that was complete shit, so I think the horse he is riding in this thread is a little too tall. |
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I understand that Eric has EARNED a very good reputation on this board due to his service and selection. I also remember when he was selling the Indian .308 that was complete shit, so I think the horse he is riding in this thread is a little too tall. Total utter nonsense. Every vendor on the internet was selling the Indian and guess what?, some still are. We gave it back to the importer when the complaints started to surface. In fact, the importer said we were the only ones that gave it back.At great risk to future purchases from that importer that also brought in the Swiss 223. My God the shit that comes out from under the rug when they have no argument. Eric the ammoman |
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I'm not trying to argue anything. I simply do not understand why several people are jumping all over this guy's shit when all he did was ask a few questions. Kudos to you for surviving in business for so long, and a plus one for your excellent reputation. How you responded to this customer seems quite rude. Maybe you had a bad day, maybe he editted something in his post I am unaware of. Whatever. Coming to this board and asking "what is the deal?" in a rather neutral fashion is not deserving of a beating. |
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Quoted: I'm not trying to argue anything. I simply do not understand why several people are jumping all over this guy's shit when all he did was ask a few questions. I guess you missed this: "Id rather not mention the dealers name at this point in a sign of good nature on my part. Mistakes can happen, I just want them to know about it, and make it right with me. Here are the pics." That is an implication that something is wrong.He also posted this on the internet before asking me about the ammo.I could have set him straight in 1 e-mail. There are a few that like to stir the shit, just like you with the Indian ammo bullshit. I am done holding the hands of the 1% that stir shit.They can go get their ammo somewheres else and good riddance. We have a wonderful 99% customer base and would love to make it 100% by calling out the PITA's. 21 years in the business and believe me, i know what i am doing.This is very calculated and not a bad day. Eric the ammoman |
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Listen here you pathetic POS. Why dont you just lay down.... You got paid, you misrepresented your product, and you treated a paying customer like shit. Your name was never mentioned in this thread until YOU posted it acting all defensive. And an email was sent D?ckwad You should take your pathetic illiterate ass and read it! F?ck off ammoman. Come to Indiana big boy and I will show you a crybaby ! FYI,,, How in the hell can a lot of "true #76) have 4 years worth of head stamps???? I will tell you how, someone out there doesnt give a flying f?ck about tracability, and they mixed it all. At least thats my best guess. But hey, I thought I could ask a simple question like that here. Guess some people (asswipes) have a guitly Conscious! |
I think he finally gets it and blew a fuse. I wonder if he kisses his mother with that mouth. 2 paragraphs and he said nothing.That might be a new record. I feel very confident that i won't have to deal with this very unhappy fellow again. One more PITA down the drain.As i said before, that is my goal. Anyone with a gripe or question, feel free to contact me direct. Eric the ammoman |
Isnt there an XM-193 and a M-193 XM is second grade and M if first Grade with XM-193PD being the lowestl grade? You bought XM-193 you got XM-193 now STFU |
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