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Posted: 12/6/2004 4:44:05 AM EDT
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Gentlemen, I am going to purchase a Red Dot aiming device for "HOME DEFENSE / CQB" application. Having shot Aimpoints and C-Mores in IPSC I am familiar with them. My questions is - Why don't people seem to "like " the C-More Tactical sight. I am leaning in this direction, first of all from having used it before (On a race gun), and having compared all the specs of the three, the C-More seems to stand out to me. So I would like feedback from shooters who have actually used a C-More Tactical Red Dot, Good or Bad....and those who want to voice their opinion based on "bubba's" experiance can do so as well. Let it fly guys...... |
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In short the C-More is fragile in comparison to the Aimpoint. The battery life of the Aimpoint is from the 1,000's of hours to the 10,000 hour mark depending on the setting. I have used most red dot sights out there along with the Trijicon Reflex and a few others and both of my SWAT guns are wearing Aimpoints. Your milage may vary. Take care and stay safe Semper Fi Jeff |
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Quoted: In short the C-More is fragile in comparison to the Aimpoint. The battery life of the Aimpoint is from the 1,000's of hours to the 10,000 hour mark depending on the setting. I have used most red dot sights out there along with the Trijicon Reflex and a few others and both of my SWAT guns are wearing Aimpoints. Your milage may vary. Jeff.. Semper Fi right back at cha' I appreciate the response and am responding to hopefully affect the flow of this thread. I am tryinng to staf focused on the Mission - Home Defense. That being said, and having shot both Aimpoints and C-Mores in "Speed Games" (ISPC and Speed Plates) the difference I remember was the speed of target acquisition with the "HUD" on the C-More verses the "Tube Effect" of the Aimpoint. To me, the "HUD" allowed me to have much greater peripheral vision, and felt less "pinched" trying to get sight acquisition, and was virtually "just there" when aiming. This is a personal opinion and you might feel different. C-More rates their battery life at 300 - 1500 Continuous Hours depending on the intensity obviously. Once again this aiming device is going on a M4 home defense weapon that will sit in the gun safe most of the time, so battery life is not a critical to me as it would have been in a Combat / Duty role. The fragility is the issue I am looking at and is the imput I am going for. The specs say that the C-More is superior to "being water proof" in comparison to the Aimpoint and the Eotech (C-More has a submersion depth of 200 feet) which should mean the circuitry is very well sealed. So how do you consider it fragile? Durability is definately an area of concern. Keep it coming gentlemen...... |
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well, I've got my flame suit on, so here goes... I'm using an Eotech 552 on my house gun. I like the ease of operation, and the great big Circle of Death for very fast target acquisition. I like the fact that the whole thing is open--none of the tunnel vision you talked about, although I really never saw much of that with the Aimpoint I had. Yes, battery life is limited when compared to the Aimpoint. Yes, the military seems to prefer the Aimpoint. I don't really know why, and I'm not going to speculate...I like and use what works for me, and the Eotech does the job admirably. |
Colt 45 Guy, Have you ever used a C-More? I do not doubt that the Aimpoint is the toughest of the bunch, and I will probably have one for use in a SHTF situation if it went "Urban", but I look at the Home Defense weapon as a one event "Tool". What I mean by that is a Home invasion is a split second scenario, where one is more than likely "Rousted" from their sleep. To me that split second confidence of a HUD during that time of confussion and grogginess may make the difference. My plans are not to go to Combat with this weapon, just to defend my home. Now that we agree that the Aimpoint is a great piece, but my preference trends towards a HUD type sight, Eotech or C-More and why? Please don't say that more people are using them, because I'm sure more people are using the C-More in competition....just a guess. Talk me out of a C-More!!! |
If you are talking a few seconds to get up and ready...then why is your gun in a gunsafe? do you really think that under stress and half asleep you will be able to get up run to your gunsafe (assuming its in your bedroom, even worse if its not) and be able to get the combo right and be ready to roll in under a few seconds? Just curious is all. Me personally I keep my pistol on my night stand at arms reach, along with my surefire light...and with my AR under the bed. Now I dont have kids so your results may vary...however even with kids I would keep my AR under the bed with some type of trigger lock and have to key on my key set that I would always put on my nightstand every night 
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If you are talking a few seconds to get up and ready...then why is your gun in a gunsafe? do you really think that under stress and half asleep you will be able to get up run to your gunsafe (assuming its in your bedroom, even worse if its not) and be able to get the combo right and be ready to roll in under a few seconds? Just curious is all. Me personally I keep my pistol on my night stand at arms reach, along with my surefire light...and with my AR under the bed. Now I dont have kids so your results may vary...however even with kids I would keep my AR under the bed with some type of trigger lock and have to key on my key set that I would always put on my nightstand every nighthave My wife witnessed my ability to come out of a coma and ready myself for an intruder recently, which happened to be my little girl waking up in the middle of the night and walking downstairs and tripping the motion detector that covers our Foyer. She was amazed at my ability to wake from a dead sleep be armed and ready before she ever got out of bed (quite honestly, so was I.....I guess good old Marine Corps training lasts forever!!!) My point of this thread is a lighted aiming point in the middle of the night is the route I want to go. Weapon mounted Surefire to identify the target and red dot center mass. I have read a bunch of reviews since my last tpost and they say that the EOTech is the stuff. So I believe that is the direction I will be going...... Thanks for the feedback!!! Semper Fi, Tim |
Lumpy, I saw your comments on a previous thread pertaining to C-Mores....What are your thoughts on the EOTech's??? |
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The controls. Its much easier for me to "roll" the Aimpoints adjustment knob than to stab at the Eotechs buttons, especially with gloves on. Battery life. Aimpoint rules in that area, without discussion. Mounting options. High, low, in between, on anything I want to put one on at the height I want it. I also simply prefer the a simple red dot to the Eotechs reticle. Once again, these are all personal preferences and may not apply for anyone else. |
I'm going to say take a look at the EOTech also... Although aimpoints are nice I know what you mean about the tube effect.... I looked at the CMore but I could see myself grabbing at it in the middle of the night and hitting the "HUD" on something (taking it out of the safe possibly_ and just the fact that I would then be down optics would be pretty bad... I have been happy with my eotech and they have 4 diffrent models for all your size/capability/price needs  I like how the circle dot combo is quick close up and can be precise out further away. I agree with lumpy about the controls, while they're not hard to use- they're not as quick as an aimpoints roll method. Take a look at one and see how you like it though.... BTW, not to hijack but what was your MOS in the Corps? -Roth |
Damn well thought out post! Clear and concise, personal point of view without any need to trash-talk. I never really gave much thought about the rolling controls on the aimpoints, but I can see why you'd prefer that. Oh, and you're 100% correct about the awkwardness of the Eotech buttons, especially the old style membrane type...it's a bit better with the raised rubber buttons--but I'm a lefty, so pretty much anything on the market is gonna be a bit awkward for me. I didn't have my aimpoint for long--barely put 100 rds under it before I traded for a Leupy VXIII so I never learned better ways to use it. |
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