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Posted: 8/8/2008 7:43:06 AM EDT
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I'm thinkin' as the one and only AR or AR's you'll have. pretend that the exec order comes down or ban hammer from congress, whatever, no more buying guns, what you have is all you'll have. but whatever you own now you can keep. spare parts "could be an issue" because of whatever ban rules may be. most likely though it's gonna be a ammo thing.  nothing specificly worded in the Constitution about being guaranteed ammo 
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I would say one railed carbine with a few add ons nothing extreme..... 1. Surefire 6p LED light $70 2. KAC VFG $20 3. red dot $400 What else would you want to put on one? Now you have a rifle that will do everything the fancy full on expensive ones will do unless you go to night vision.... Then any other rifles you want can be KISS you don't really need another blinged fighting carbine, so why build another. Also red dots are nice enough that I don't consider them extra bling I like them. Lights, lasers, and VFGs are extra stuff that isn't really needed, but a light is nice. |
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I guess it depends on what exactly you mean "one great one"? When talking firearms, I would rather have a small assortment of quality weapons then a larger collection of mediocre or crappy ones. The problem is, it sounds like your definition of "great one" means something different to you then it does to me? I don't agree that you need billet receivers, monolithic uppers, custom SS barrels, enhanced carriers with high tech finishes, etc, etc.. to have a "Great AR". Some of those things are neat and if you have money to burn then why not but in the end, your AR won't be any better functionally speaking. Just buy or build a really good base gun (Colt, LMT, SDI, BCM) then get a good optic and BUIS. That and some good mags and ammo is all you really need. If its going to be used for HD, you will really want to get a tactical light for it but that can still be done without spending a fortune or buying a rail, VFG or a ton of other stuff. Unfortunately, AR's have become like 1911 in that somewhere along the line it stopped being about building the best, most reliably weapon and became more about "pimp'n" it out yo  While I can respect some of those high end builds I also realize that you don't need to spend $3k to have a highly effective and reliably AR.
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Yup, buy/build one you can trust go bang when you need it to. Then learn how to run it at classes. I have shed a few of my extra guns over the past few years as I realized that good training and practice are a must. |
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I'd prioritize on having at least your go-to rifle where you want it, with the parts you need that make sense, and addons you want. From there (political climate now) lowers aren't a bad choice, but I've been running a different plan: I've had one gun, started with the big expenditure on the upper and barrel, then as I've been slowly trickling down parts into my other two - got a Timney trigger, so the RRA 2-Stage went to my wife's rifle. Once my UBR gets here, the EMOD bumps the old CMT stock on my lightweight carbine. I guess I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to have multiple partially tricked out rifles, and nither does it make sense to have a pile of rifles, none of which stands out as your go-to. Also keep in mind that this is the chairborne trogolodyte brigade talking, so a KISS carbine that goes bang every time might be the right solution, but they'd poo-poo it anyway. |
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I'd rather have my one awesome Ar. CMMG 10.3 upper or lmt 10.5 LMT lower KAC RAS system surefire m951 light Sopmod stock Mi BUIS acog TA01NSN PEQ2a IR laser/illuminator KAC VFG Rail covers covering up al open spots on rail AAC m4-2000 can Lots of ammo Lots of Magazines screw several bear Ars. I'd rather have my one trusty rifle i can count on for anything. |
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Several good quality basic ar's. Not cheap. Good ones. LMT, Colt if you can, if not, Bushmaster, RRA, CMMG, etc. That is what I'd focus on first. THEN focus on buying the goodies to accessorize one of them the way you want it. If a ban comes, I doubt rails, grips, acogs, red dots, BUIS, etc. will be the focus. It will be the guns themselves. Get that out of the way first then focus on the goodies. AR's that I'd trust my life to do not have to have everything made by LaRue, Daniel Defense, Troy, etc. etc. hanging off of them. I'd trust my life to my basic A1 Bushmaster superlite with the Denny's super duty BCG, PMags, and good ammo. I trust it because I've shot it enough to know it is good to go and has a quality BCG. I think several good AR's and lots of good mags and lots of ammo should be the primary focus at first with the current political climate. Don't buy junk though, whether accessories or AR's. That's just me. |
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I'd make 2 nicely setup rifles and not bother having 6 mediocre guns. Right now I'm working on 2 setups that will work fine now and will get better with age. Bushmaster 14.5" M4 flattop with Phantom flash hider, Stag Arms lower with 6 position mil-spec stock, Magpul MIAD, and YHM flip-up rear BUIS. Plans: Midlength free floating YHM lite rail Eotech 512 YHM flip front sight Tango Down VFG Magpul CTR stock Surefire 6P LED flashlight DoubleStar 16" HBAR flattop 6.5 Grendel with A2 flash hider, Bushmaster lower with A2 stock, YHM flip rear sight. Plans: Rifle profile free floating YHM lite rail For now: Millet DMS-1 scope - hopefully an ACOG one day RRA 2 stage trigger These two go well with my Kimber Custom II 1911 and my .308 Remington 700 with Harris bipods and Millet 4-16x50mm TRS-1. |
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I would say.. only one tricked out AR that fits your needs exactly. My reason being: you can only shoot one at a time. The more time you spend with one weapon, the more proficient you get at handling that specific weapon. Unless you need an exact backup copy of that weapon, I would say just stick to equipping one rifle with only the accessories you need. Instead of spending money on extra weapons, put that money into training and ammunition. |
Why would you skrimp on the most important part of an AR, the upper? Even DPMS and Olympic cant mess up a lower. Reliability and longevity in an AR are all about the upper. |
I agree, I think he has it backwards big time. I'd rather have an Oly lower with a Colt upper than the other way around. |
I went through this debate a few years ago...at the time I had bunch of OKAY AR's but nothing really standing out of the crowd. I have since sold them all. I then made myself a couple exceptional AR's with one more in progress. I have been much happier. I honestly think once I finish the in-progress one and buy a couple optics. I really am going to be "done."
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Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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| I did 1 perfect ar that is very modular. In my line of thinking why spread out the goods over several ars when you can only carry 1 at a time anyways. I have everything on Larue mounts and can ditch or load up on accessories as needed. I also have the advantage of constantly using the same rifle which makes me very familiar with it and how it runs. Do that with several and you have to either shoot that much more |
Well it all depends on how cheap he is talking.if i got an lmt lower with sopmod,ergo grip for about 450.00 with the lower he would be done. If i got 2 cheap model1,bushy,rra uppers I can easily change out barrels upgrade bolts,add rails,sell them and upgrade slowly or when needed. I would never buy an oly lower from the start. I would definatly consider spending the money once on good products than later as im sure all of us have done in the begining of this hobby. And you all know if someone posted a pic of a rifle with a LMT,Noveske,LaRue,MSTN upper on a Carbon15,oly,no name poss out of spec lower you would still not call it a great rifle. And yes Oly can mess up a lower. |
The upper is the key to the whole thing. An LMT lower with an upper with bad BCG, crappy barrel, canted sites, etc. would suck. The BCG and barrel is where you want the most quality in your rifle. At least I do. No I would not be happy with a crappy out of spec lower, but let's be honest, there are a LOT more bad barrels and BCG's out there than bad lowers. |
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I'm in the multiple "OK" ones camp. I'd rather have three Bushmasters (for example - and I don't even own a Bushy) in each of the styles I desire than one super-duper Novske-LMT. Each might get some accessories, but nothing overboard to keep it in budget. My choices would be a light AR to carry for SHTF, a range one with a 22" barrel (this would require some form of scope, so the money goes up there), and perhaps one other. If you gave a dollar amount it might help. In some people's opinions, a 'Great' AR might only cost as much as two other 'OK' AR's. |
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ok, well I do have 4 AR's now. 1 with a colt 20" upper HB A3 flat top, the scope seems to be the bastard child set up. it's nice but a bit on the heavy side. I have a DPMS 16" lightweight flat top A3 upper on a tactical custom lower, it also is nice, not chrome lined but it has an aimpoint, FF 4 rail handguard, and some smaller goodies/ dodads on it, Light, single point sling,6 pos. car butstock, etc. I have a CMMG 14.5 lightweight A3 Upper with EOTECH, surefire 4 rail handguard, light, foregrip, M4 butt stock, on a DPMS lower with a 2 stage trigger,etc. and I have a RRA 9mm 10" SBR with a Cheapass 4 rail handguard and flip sights and a light, M4 buttstock. so they are all pretty good and all function 100%. but I don't have a ground up 100% bitchin HSLD set up. I could sell one or several and get 1 really nice set up, but if it went down or was stolen I'd be left holding my dick. |
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"One Porsche or 5 Mustangs?" 5 Mustangs. Forget the bells and whistles. Buy one Colt in M4 form. Maybe get a A1 upper and put together a retro rifle, then a flattop 20in rifle with optics of choice. You are more likely to be able to buy bells and whistles later than rifles if the Dems have their way. |
several without a doubt because if something happens to your weapon that you only have 1 of, you are screwed, whereas if you have multiple ARs you are good to go
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Well if thats what you are working with.its not at all a bad list. My vote without using any other money would be sell the 16in dpms but keep the aimpoint.Maybe swap the rail from it to the sbr 9mm. Buy a scope for the colt. Buy a better rail for the sbr 9mm take the rest and upgrade whatever else. You have some good rifles there all with their own purpose. |
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