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Posted: 7/27/2016 2:30:14 PM EDT
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I am looking at getting a new scope in the $1000 price range. I think I prefer a FFP but am open to opinions and options.
I will be mounting this scope on a 16" BCM AR15 and be shooting at anywhere from 25-300 yard but would like the ability for some precision shooting that is why I am looking at 1-6 or 1-8 range scopes. I have about $1150 to spend including mount and I was looking at the Burris PEPR or the Aero Precision Ultralight (let me know which is preferred or if another option) I am right now leaning towards the Weaver Tactical 1-7x Dual Focal Plane Scope as its cool that it has the FFP mil reticle and a 4 MOA red dot in the SFP so it would be quick close and good at longer ranges. If anyone has experience with this scope let me know and id love to hear how it compares to some of the others Other scope of consideration Steiner T5Xi ($1100) Weaver Tactical 1-7x ($1000) Burris XTR II 1-5x or 1-8x ($780-$1000) Bushnell Elite Tactical 1-6.5 BTR 2 ($1000) SWFA 1-6x ($1000) Vortex Razor II 1-6x ($1300 little out of price range would be hard to purchase) Primary Arms Platinum 1-8x ($1300 out of range as well) Trijicon Accupoint 1-6x ($1150) Other Recommendation |
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I just sold my Vortex Razor. It will do everything you need it to do and then some. It's just HEAVY for an optic. If you have the coin and the biceps I can recommend it. The warranty is amazing too.
You will get endorsements of everything on that list. My advice is to drive to the nearest Cabelas or whoever is nearby and finger as many of the options listed as you can. I found that even the Vortex on 1x with it's superb illuminated dot is not as quick as an actual dedicated red dot. Training may solve this for you, but get a look through some options before you pull the trigger. |
| Another one to consider is the Steiner T5xi 1-5 comes in at 1079 on Amazon and has been compared to the Vortex. The Leupold VX6 models also come in around $800 and most are daylight bright. I currently have a Vortex 1-6 and like it as most do but if I had to do it all over again I'd look at the Steiner and the Burris XTR for the price point and weight savings. As far as mounts go the Aero Precision will work if you don't need QD and I would recommend over the Burris PEPR. |
| I voted for a burris/other mount combo. I've been kicking around the idea of MI's new mounts, but larue is the golden standard. Steiner has also been upping their game recently. If you're a 3 gunner, the vortex is the creme de la creme, but the weight and goofy silver finish is off putting for the kinda coin it demands, IMO. |
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who's making these for sig? |
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I was in a similar boat recently (looking to spend about $1000 on an optic for a 3-gun rifle) and I got the 1-4x Meopta ZD Tactical. Downsides are only 1-4x and that the primary aiming dot is 8moa at 1x, 2moa at 4x. Otherwise, glass is absolutely fantastic, illumination is high noon Texas bright (I usually use it on setting 5 or 6 of 7 when outdoors), 1x is very flat with no edge distortion, and the reticle is fast as hell with the 300, 400 and 500 yard holdovers leading your eye directly to the center dot when shooting with both eyes open. Feels very, very much like shooting a RDS. Recently owned a Kahles K16i for about a week before selling it and I think the Meopta's glass was every bit as good - if not better. I preferred the Kahles reticle because it allows for more precise shooting, but the Meopta reticle is less cluttered and faster and goes a wee bit brighter on illumination than the Kahles. I also felt like I had to refocus the Kahles every damn time I changed the magnification - I'd get a perfect flat image at one magnification, change it and the image would be distorted around the edges. Never could find anything approaching a sweet spot.
All in all I gave up 6x for 4x and the ability to shoot wee little groups (which is basically irrelevant for a 3 gun scope anyways) and saved $1200 - so happy with that decision. BUT if you want to do precision shooting, the Meopta is not the scope for you with a 2moa center dot at full zoom. FWIW, I've owned both a PEPR and the Aero Ultralight and greatly preferred the Ultralight. Seems better made, much much lighter and smaller profile. And also FWIW, based on my research for my scope, of the options you've listed you should save up for/scour the internet for a good deal on the Vortex. |
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who's making these for sig? Little company called Sig Sauer Glass is Japanese, reticles are etched. Fuckers are built like tanks. I'm going to trade my Nightforce 1-4 on one Sig is building the Tango scopes in-house? I doubt that very much. Their new RDS's are almost certainly made by Holosun. I'm betting the Tango scopes are a Light Optical Works product. |
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Quoted: Sig is building the Tango scopes in-house? I doubt that very much. Their new RDS's are almost certainly made by Holosun. I'm betting the Tango scopes are a Light Optical Works product. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: who's making these for sig? Little company called Sig Sauer Glass is Japanese, reticles are etched. Fuckers are built like tanks. I'm going to trade my Nightforce 1-4 on one Sig is building the Tango scopes in-house? I doubt that very much. Their new RDS's are almost certainly made by Holosun. I'm betting the Tango scopes are a Light Optical Works product. From what I was told they are assembled by Sig. The red dots and stuff arent |
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who's making these for sig? Little company called Sig Sauer Glass is Japanese, reticles are etched. Fuckers are built like tanks. I'm going to trade my Nightforce 1-4 on one Sig is building the Tango scopes in-house? I doubt that very much. Their new RDS's are almost certainly made by Holosun. I'm betting the Tango scopes are a Light Optical Works product. From what I was told they are assembled by Sig. The red dots and stuff arent Pretty impressive at that price point if true. Thought I read it's a Light Optical Works product (which is not a bad thing) but could definitely be wrong. |
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Quoted: Pretty impressive at that price point if true. Thought I read it's a Light Optical Works product (which is not a bad thing) but could definitely be wrong. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Little company called Sig Sauer Glass is Japanese, reticles are etched. Fuckers are built like tanks. I'm going to trade my Nightforce 1-4 on one Sig is building the Tango scopes in-house? I doubt that very much. Their new RDS's are almost certainly made by Holosun. I'm betting the Tango scopes are a Light Optical Works product. From what I was told they are assembled by Sig. The red dots and stuff arent Pretty impressive at that price point if true. Thought I read it's a Light Optical Works product (which is not a bad thing) but could definitely be wrong. Either way it's a great scope and an incredible price point. I also ordered a Sig Whisky 3 2-7 for my sons deer rifle, can't wait to get it in |
| I have two tr24's one green triangle and one green german crosshair, the only thing I don't like about them is that they're not tr25's. Acupoints are light awesome glass great eye relief and and have good reticles. I want to get a green triangle tr25 for my 3 gun rifle and replace the german crosshair tr24 |
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Either way it's a great scope and an incredible price point. I also ordered a Sig Whisky 3 2-7 for my sons deer rifle, can't wait to get it in Quoted:
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Little company called Sig Sauer Glass is Japanese, reticles are etched. Fuckers are built like tanks. I'm going to trade my Nightforce 1-4 on one Sig is building the Tango scopes in-house? I doubt that very much. Their new RDS's are almost certainly made by Holosun. I'm betting the Tango scopes are a Light Optical Works product. From what I was told they are assembled by Sig. The red dots and stuff arent Pretty impressive at that price point if true. Thought I read it's a Light Optical Works product (which is not a bad thing) but could definitely be wrong. Either way it's a great scope and an incredible price point. I also ordered a Sig Whisky 3 2-7 for my sons deer rifle, can't wait to get it in Recently installed a Tango4 3-12. So far I like it better than the similar Vortex offerings by quite a bit. Glass is good and feature packed. Some may not like the reticle choices, but a Sig rep told me in an email they are working on several more for the future. |
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I think I have narrowed it down to the Weaver Tactical 1-7 and the Trijicon Accupoint 1-6x (probably withe the moa crosshair) does anyone have experience with these how quick are both close up and how good for distance I love my Accupoint 1-6, no experience with the other. |
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That is made by the same people as your Sig Tango. LOW makes both. There is also a level of QC put into different brands made by the same manufacturers. why would they intentionally make one of their products worse based off of who their client is? credibility is credibility. why tarnish your name over that? seems stupid. i had a sightmark pinnacle 1-6 and it was a fine piece of glass, a little pricey but it appears that they've lowered the cost of it since i purchased mine. dont be a troll |
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why would they intentionally make one of their products worse based off of who their client is? credibility is credibility. why tarnish your name over that? seems stupid. i had a sightmark pinnacle 1-6 and it was a fine piece of glass, a little pricey but it appears that they've lowered the cost of it since i purchased mine. dont be a troll Quoted:
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That is made by the same people as your Sig Tango. LOW makes both. There is also a level of QC put into different brands made by the same manufacturers. why would they intentionally make one of their products worse based off of who their client is? credibility is credibility. why tarnish your name over that? seems stupid. i had a sightmark pinnacle 1-6 and it was a fine piece of glass, a little pricey but it appears that they've lowered the cost of it since i purchased mine. dont be a troll FOV on the sight mark is 90 ft @ 100 yards vs 106 @ 100 on the Sig. Sightmark already sullied their name making shitty other optics, they're really brave stepping into the $1200 market. |
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Quoted: why would they intentionally make one of their products worse based off of who their client is? credibility is credibility. why tarnish your name over that? seems stupid. i had a sightmark pinnacle 1-6 and it was a fine piece of glass, a little pricey but it appears that they've lowered the cost of it since i purchased mine. dont be a troll Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is made by the same people as your Sig Tango. LOW makes both. There is also a level of QC put into different brands made by the same manufacturers. why would they intentionally make one of their products worse based off of who their client is? credibility is credibility. why tarnish your name over that? seems stupid. i had a sightmark pinnacle 1-6 and it was a fine piece of glass, a little pricey but it appears that they've lowered the cost of it since i purchased mine. dont be a troll Um. plenty of manufacturers do put things out at varying quality based on what their customer wants to meet a price point. FN makes all kinds of different barrels for different manufacturers at different QC levels and price points. Good call on the troll, or maybe I just have more experience than you |
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FOV on the sight mark is 90 ft @ 100 yards vs 106 @ 100 on the Sig. Sightmark already sullied their name making shitty other optics, they're really brave stepping into the $1200 market. Quoted:
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That is made by the same people as your Sig Tango. LOW makes both. There is also a level of QC put into different brands made by the same manufacturers. why would they intentionally make one of their products worse based off of who their client is? credibility is credibility. why tarnish your name over that? seems stupid. i had a sightmark pinnacle 1-6 and it was a fine piece of glass, a little pricey but it appears that they've lowered the cost of it since i purchased mine. dont be a troll FOV on the sight mark is 90 ft @ 100 yards vs 106 @ 100 on the Sig. Sightmark already sullied their name making shitty other optics, they're really brave stepping into the $1200 market. Eye relief on the Pinnacle is 4.1 vs 3.6 on the sig. that is why there is a smaller field of view. Way to nitpick |
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Um. plenty of manufacturers do put things out at varying quality based on what their customer wants to meet a price point. FN makes all kinds of different barrels for different manufacturers at different QC levels and price points. Good call on the troll, or maybe I just have more experience than you Quoted:
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That is made by the same people as your Sig Tango. LOW makes both. There is also a level of QC put into different brands made by the same manufacturers. why would they intentionally make one of their products worse based off of who their client is? credibility is credibility. why tarnish your name over that? seems stupid. i had a sightmark pinnacle 1-6 and it was a fine piece of glass, a little pricey but it appears that they've lowered the cost of it since i purchased mine. dont be a troll Um. plenty of manufacturers do put things out at varying quality based on what their customer wants to meet a price point. FN makes all kinds of different barrels for different manufacturers at different QC levels and price points. Good call on the troll, or maybe I just have more experience than you hundreds of thousands of barrels that a majority of the market would buy vs a specific market of riflescopes starting at price points higher than joe random would pay. not exactly apples to apples is it? more experience or less experience, still a troll |
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I think I have narrowed it down to the Weaver Tactical 1-7 and the Trijicon Accupoint 1-6x (probably withe the moa crosshair) does anyone have experience with these how quick are both close up and how good for distance post pics of the weaver if you get it, i havent gotten to check those out yet. |
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Quoted: hundreds of thousands of barrels that a majority of the market would buy vs a specific market of riflescopes starting at price points higher than joe random would pay. not exactly apples to apples is it? more experience or less experience, still a troll Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is made by the same people as your Sig Tango. LOW makes both. There is also a level of QC put into different brands made by the same manufacturers. why would they intentionally make one of their products worse based off of who their client is? credibility is credibility. why tarnish your name over that? seems stupid. i had a sightmark pinnacle 1-6 and it was a fine piece of glass, a little pricey but it appears that they've lowered the cost of it since i purchased mine. dont be a troll Um. plenty of manufacturers do put things out at varying quality based on what their customer wants to meet a price point. FN makes all kinds of different barrels for different manufacturers at different QC levels and price points. Good call on the troll, or maybe I just have more experience than you hundreds of thousands of barrels that a majority of the market would buy vs a specific market of riflescopes starting at price points higher than joe random would pay. not exactly apples to apples is it? more experience or less experience, still a troll Or trying to help people not make poor decisions. Your money your choice I guess. Forget the thousand of other people who have purchased sightmark shit and realized that hey, its literally shit |
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