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Posted: 9/16/2012 8:30:30 AM EDT
| i am looking for the best performing 55gr.223 for handloading removing FMJ from the picture as i am using this to go hunting any advice? |
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i'm hunting mule deer in az but i'm sabotaging to a 30-30 or 30-06 Guess I don't understand the meaning of "sabotaging" in this context. In general, I fall into the camp that says mule deer get nothing less than enough kinetic energy to fully expand the bullet at the intended range. I don't disagree with using .223 for mule deer where it is legal, I just disagree with missing the vitals...... :) The .30-06 is going to extend your range over a .223, so if the animals are going to be larger than average, or farther than average, I would go with the .30-06. Be honest with your practise, if you can't hit a pie plate under pressure, you are shooting too far. |
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Sabot (pronounced "sah boh")
A sabot is a sleeve use in a firearm that partially envelopes a projectile or bullet that is smaller than the bore diameter, which in turn gives higher velocities and flatter trajectories. the deer ware i am are often so small you dont need the mass of the -06 but with the 223 i can potentially reach 4700 fps in a 30-06 and up to 5300 fps in a .300 Wheatherby according to http://www.sabotreloadingpro.com with that speed and the right round i may be able to effectively double my range |
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.224 hunting rounds, heck all well engineered .224, are designed to work in a certian window of fps. the low limit is well tested. The high not so much. I'd bet if you use any .224 round that fast it would end up acting like a varmint round.
Ask your self why this isn't common for use on deer, there is a reason. |
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The bullet-holding sabot is named for the French word for "shoe." This is the same root as "sabotage," which means to intentionally inflict damage to something, originally from French workers locking up machines by placing their wooden work shoes in the machines...
Using small caliber projectiles in larger caliber barrels through use of a sabot is a solid technique for obtaining higher muzzle velocities out of the larger barrels. It may also be something that your local game warden might object to. Make sure that the law says it's OK, or you'll be going to a lot of trouble for getting into trouble. |
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Quoted: Sabot (pronounced "sah boh") A sabot is a sleeve use in a firearm that partially envelopes a projectile or bullet that is smaller than the bore diameter, which in turn gives higher velocities and flatter trajectories. the deer ware i am are often so small you dont need the mass of the -06 but with the 223 i can potentially reach 4700 fps in a 30-06 and up to 5300 fps in a .300 Wheatherby according to http://www.sabotreloadingpro.com with that speed and the right round i may be able to effectively double my range yeah okay  , you ever shot a sabot? the accuracy usually sucks ass and you want to use them for hunting small(er) game? good luck with those 1200 yard shots |
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Sabot (pronounced "sah boh") A sabot is a sleeve use in a firearm that partially envelopes a projectile or bullet that is smaller than the bore diameter, which in turn gives higher velocities and flatter trajectories. the deer ware i am are often so small you dont need the mass of the -06 but with the 223 i can potentially reach 4700 fps in a 30-06 and up to 5300 fps in a .300 Wheatherby according to http://www.sabotreloadingpro.com with that speed and the right round i may be able to effectively double my range Sorry, didn't mean to get hung up on grammar. Just got thrown off by the use of a sabot and the connection to the second note. In any case, you have already heard some clues to the concept that the use of the sabot for adapting 223 into the .30 cal wasn't known for any accuracy that would extend range. No need to go the long way around if you have either a good bolt gun or if the AR you have is legal. There are several rounds that give the AR some limited capability for mule deer. Especially in areas where they may run below 150 lbs, a well placed game hunting bullet should do the trick. All you need to do is to avoid the varmint bullets. The Sierra Game Kings and the Barnes TTSX come in 65 and 62 grain options. See if your rig does well with those. There are many options outside of varmint bullets designed to punch into animals like pigs and deer. See which ones you can shoot well. |
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Yep bad idea all the way around! The bullets are not made to go that fast for one thing and anything you hit at over 3000fps it will act like a varmit bullet and explode with very little or no penertration! That if you even get enough accuracy to hit anything! Except for maybe the barnes bullets! Just use your AR or bolt gun .223 with 69-75gr bullets . You'll actually have to hunt the deer instead of snipping them at 1000 yards!
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Sabot (pronounced "sah boh") A sabot is a sleeve use in a firearm that partially envelopes a projectile or bullet that is smaller than the bore diameter, which in turn gives higher velocities and flatter trajectories. the deer ware i am are often so small you dont need the mass of the -06 but with the 223 i can potentially reach 4700 fps in a 30-06 and up to 5300 fps in a .300 Wheatherby according to http://www.sabotreloadingpro.com with that speed and the right round i may be able to effectively double my range yeah okay , you ever shot a sabot? the accuracy usually sucks ass and you want to use them for hunting small(er) game?
good luck with those 1200 yard shots THIS. sabots in rifles SUCK. |
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Remington Accelerator had a bad rep for accuracy.
I heard that Remington had solved their sabot release problem, but the ammo already had a bad rep. Sierra, Barnes, etc. may be able to predict their terminal bullet performance at those velocities and give a recommendation. |
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