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Posted: 4/14/2009 9:57:25 PM EDT
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i had a local store install a sling mount rear plate recently and they reinstalled the notched ring backwards to where the notches face the receiver
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i had a local store install a sling mount rear plate recently and they reinstalled the notched ring backwards to where the notches face the receiver is this a problem? what should i do? thanks! Just out of curiosity, how much did they charge you to install the sling plate? Nic4433 |
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I dont beleive the wrench will fit on that way wich is why the notches need to be facing out.If they loc tited it its gonna be hard to move without damaging the tube.I would bring it back and let them deal with it..they damage it they replace it. This. +2 How tight could they have got it without a proper wrench? And what did they use to tighten it? A strap wrench? 
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I dont beleive the wrench will fit on that way wich is why the notches need to be facing out.If they loc tited it its gonna be hard to move without damaging the tube.I would bring it back and let them deal with it..they damage it they replace it. This. +2 How tight could they have got it without a proper wrench? And what did they use to tighten it? A strap wrench? One of the little $2-6 CAR Stock/1911 bushing combo wrenches works fine for this(some of the AR multi-tools have this single-point spanner type wrench as well). When I did run a slider, I mounted my castle nut in this manner to reduce sharp edges in area where I'd likely have contact with my rifle (I run a Sully now, so I don't have to deal with this). You can still stake in the same manner as you regularly would with the castle nut oriented in this manner. |
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I dont beleive the wrench will fit on that way wich is why the notches need to be facing out.If they loc tited it its gonna be hard to move without damaging the tube.I would bring it back and let them deal with it..they damage it they replace it. This. +2 How tight could they have got it without a proper wrench? And what did they use to tighten it? A strap wrench? There ARE certain hook like wrenches that will do this. They look like a question mark with a little part that engages the notches on the Castle nut! |
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I dont beleive the wrench will fit on that way wich is why the notches need to be facing out.If they loc tited it its gonna be hard to move without damaging the tube.I would bring it back and let them deal with it..they damage it they replace it. This. +2 How tight could they have got it without a proper wrench? And what did they use to tighten it? A strap wrench? There ARE certain hook like wrenches that will do this. They look like a question mark with a little part that engages the notches on the Castle nut! 
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Those spanner wrenches are inferior if its tourqued on and lock tighted that tooth will break and even if not it will break if any serious tourque is used.Those BS spanner wrenches are not hardened steel,maybe there good for spanner nuts on soda fountain machines but then again those aerent used in rough conditions
.There is a reason the castle nut replaced the old nut..first off more surface area to engage threads and 3 point lock up so tourque is evenly aplied and you dont strip threads on the extension.3 way engagement is much more positive and requires less effort to tighten.The 3 way engangement has to go over the extension then backed up to the slots.Things are designed for a reason.I bet they used either the old wrench or a flat end screw driver and hammer to tighten and if its loctighted even if sweated off thats probably how is gonna have to be removed.Let them do it its their mistake and to me its unacceptable. |
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I dont beleive the wrench will fit on that way wich is why the notches need to be facing out.If they loc tited it its gonna be hard to move without damaging the tube.I would bring it back and let them deal with it..they damage it they replace it. This. +2 How tight could they have got it without a proper wrench? And what did they use to tighten it? A strap wrench? There ARE certain hook like wrenches that will do this. They look like a question mark with a little part that engages the notches on the Castle nut! Dang I learned something new today..... although its gun related so its ok 
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I dont beleive the wrench will fit on that way wich is why the notches need to be facing out.If they loc tited it its gonna be hard to move without damaging the tube.I would bring it back and let them deal with it..they damage it they replace it. This. +2 How tight could they have got it without a proper wrench? And what did they use to tighten it? A strap wrench? One of the little $2-6 CAR Stock/1911 bushing combo wrenches works fine for this(some of the AR multi-tools have this single-point spanner type wrench as well). When I did run a slider, I mounted my castle nut in this manner to reduce sharp edges in area where I'd likely have contact with my rifle (I run a Sully now, so I don't have to deal with this). You can still stake in the same manner as you regularly would with the castle nut oriented in this manner. You can't stake it in the SAME manner since the small notches for staking are now facing towards the stock. You COULD try to stake into the huge wrench notches though that's hardly optimal. You displace the metal on the endplate into the castle nut notches, not castle nut into endplate. |
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I dont beleive the wrench will fit on that way wich is why the notches need to be facing out.If they loc tited it its gonna be hard to move without damaging the tube.I would bring it back and let them deal with it..they damage it they replace it. This. +2 How tight could they have got it without a proper wrench? And what did they use to tighten it? A strap wrench? One of the little $2-6 CAR Stock/1911 bushing combo wrenches works fine for this(some of the AR multi-tools have this single-point spanner type wrench as well). When I did run a slider, I mounted my castle nut in this manner to reduce sharp edges in area where I'd likely have contact with my rifle (I run a Sully now, so I don't have to deal with this). You can still stake in the same manner as you regularly would with the castle nut oriented in this manner. You can't stake it in the SAME manner since the small notches for staking are now facing towards the stock. You COULD try to stake into the huge wrench notches though that's hardly optimal. You displace the metal on the endplate into the castle nut notches, not castle nut into endplate. You'd be hitting the endplate just the same as you would the other side...just stake close to the edge of the notch...if you do it right, you could feasibly displace more endplate metal creating a more solid anchor into the castle nut... |
Backwards is backwards and its wrong and thats that..bottom line its not the way it should be done and any suggestion to contrary is just to cover a mistake and leave the customer with a "its good enough feeling"so he doesnt feel bad for wasting money cause it was done wrong.Im an Armorer and I do a lot of work for others and if the person who did that and took your money stands by his work and reputation hell do it the right way with no questions and be humble and a little embarassed that he made in error in assembly.
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Who stakes thier castle nut anyway. I have "never" had one loosen up on me. I'd take it back and watch them fix it as you nag them "not like that ........ like this". Then, demand your money back and ..... charge them for lessons. 
That was a joke ........ ya'll realize that ....... right??? |
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i had a local store install a sling mount rear plate recently and they reinstalled the notched ring backwards to where the notches face the receiver is this a problem? what should i do? thanks! Just out of curiosity, how much did they charge you to install the sling plate? Nic4433 it was free of charge because i bought the plate there this was at j&s sports in olympia which is where many olyarms employees work also |
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i had a local store install a sling mount rear plate recently and they reinstalled the notched ring backwards to where the notches face the receiver is this a problem? what should i do? thanks! Just out of curiosity, how much did they charge you to install the sling plate? Nic4433 it was free of charge because i bought the plate there this was at j&s sports in olympia which is where many olyarms employees work also Well, all jokes aside. I have a friend here in town that got a barrel with a standard front sight post ......... from Oly Arms (which is a local "liked" manufacturer) ....... and when he trys to install the gas tube (to his suprise) there is no hole in the back part of the sight post to slide in the gas tube. No hole and, no place to slide a roll pin in the side. And, I bet if he took it off the barrel, there wouldn't be any gas port underneath either. So ........ I don't know what's up with Oly, but I'd take it back. Thier stuff (which has been reliable in the past) aint been so good lately. We haven't taken it back yet. Still waiting for a good day to take a road trip. |
| All of Daniel Defense's rifles at the shot show had theirs on backwards. I checked their web site after the show and there was a picture of a rifle with it on backwards. I did not ask then why at the show. I can only assume it was intentional but I can't imagine why. |
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in case anyone is still wondering about this:
i went back to the shop several days ago and was informed that this is the right way to install them as having the castle notches facing to the rear will tear up one's hands/wrists if one were to EVER use the forward assist. btw has anyone ever used the forward assist and benefited from it |
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in case anyone is still wondering about this: i went back to the shop several days ago and was informed that this is the right way to install them as having the castle notches facing to the rear will tear up one's hands/wrists if one were to EVER use the forward assist. btw has anyone ever used the forward assist and benefited from it Smith is an assclown. It's a clue that every major manufacturer of the weapon does NOT install it the way this guy did. Also, how many people have you ever heard of tearing up their hands or wrists on it? Yes, I used the fwd assist after everytime I press-checked my M4 before going down range during the two years I lived overseas. Ohh, and not once did I ever tear up my hands or wrists. |
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