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8/16/2010 1:53:35 PM EDT
just replaced commercial buffer tube with a mil-spec buffer tube to put a new stock on one of my RRAs and tightened the shit out of the castle nut.


should I put the punch on this thing or is it good to go?
8/16/2010 1:59:11 PM EDT
[#1]
Stake it no matter how tight they are tourqed they can come loose under hard use and vibration from shooting.Dont loc-tite it a staking is easier to get off if things need changing out.
8/16/2010 1:59:59 PM EDT
[#2]
Stake it with a center punch.
It should be snug, it doesn't have to be as tight as you can possibly get it. Not sure of the torque lb setting but 30 seems about right.
8/16/2010 2:01:36 PM EDT
[#3]
i think someone posted 40lbs. the other day.
8/16/2010 2:59:47 PM EDT
[#4]
20 foot pounds will hold the castle nut, 40 foot pounds is about maximum mil-spec specification, 30 foot pounds is a good compromise.
Staking should be done regardless of the amount of torque you apply and for god sakes pass on the urge to use Loc-Tite!
8/16/2010 4:14:59 PM EDT
[#5]
Stake it.

8/16/2010 4:33:41 PM EDT
[#6]
Staked

very easy to do


I did mine like  my LMT M4

with a small punch
8/16/2010 4:35:56 PM EDT
[#7]
Still aint seen a TEST that shows that commercial tubes are BAD or weak?

Back in the 80/90/ 2003 No one gave a shit here on AR15.com  ABC
8/16/2010 4:39:02 PM EDT
[#8]
Anyone have a guide as to how to to this? I never did before. Not sure if I even have the rights tools, or how exactly to go about it. I have 2 lowers that have been total fine with hard use, but I'd like to do it anyway.
8/16/2010 4:41:08 PM EDT
[#9]
I use a spring loaded center punch.
8/16/2010 5:05:57 PM EDT
[#10]
There seems to be some confusion here. Mil-Spec torque for a castle nut on a carbine receiver extension is 40 INCH pounds plus or minus 2 INCH pounds, not FOOT pounds!

Read more about the correct torque values for the AR-15 here:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=315921
8/16/2010 5:12:52 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
There seems to be some confusion here. Mil-Spec torque for a castle nut on a carbine receiver extension is 40 INCH pounds plus or minus 2 INCH pounds, not FOOT pounds!

Read more about the correct torque values for the AR-15 here:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=315921


so it's 35-39 ft lbs for a rifle buffer tube but only 30 in. lbs. for a castle nut? that makes no sense.

here's anotherthread on it.
8/16/2010 5:23:12 PM EDT
[#12]
Confusing to say the least, here is what Armalite has on their site:

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=15207020&Category=93c41860-4ca2-43ee-8ca9-dc09b1a5bf2c
8/16/2010 5:32:19 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Confusing to say the least, here is what Armalite has on their site:

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=15207020&Category=93c41860-4ca2-43ee-8ca9-dc09b1a5bf2c


Colt says 38-42  ft-lbs.
8/16/2010 6:23:53 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Anyone have a guide as to how to to this? I never did before. Not sure if I even have the rights tools, or how exactly to go about it. I have 2 lowers that have been total fine with hard use, but I'd like to do it anyway.



[Deleted, links to this site are not allowed. -L]

I staked my castle nut by using a drill to dimple the receiver end plate, then I used a center punch to have a small amount of material from the receiver end plate displaced into one of the slots in the castle nut.

8/16/2010 6:25:14 PM EDT
[#15]
Might want to fix that link.....quick.
Some people dont like it.
8/16/2010 6:39:40 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Anyone have a guide as to how to to this? I never did before. Not sure if I even have the rights tools, or how exactly to go about it. I have 2 lowers that have been total fine with hard use, but I'd like to do it anyway.


All you need is a prick punch or awl and a hammer.  Position the pointy end where you want to dimple the end plate into the castle nut cutout and give it a good whack.



(originally posted by Eric)
8/16/2010 7:40:35 PM EDT
[#17]
If 85% + of the rounds the rifle will ever see are rimfire should I hold off on the staking (until I change my shooting needs ??)
8/17/2010 4:12:20 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
If 85% + of the rounds the rifle will ever see are rimfire should I hold off on the staking (until I change my shooting needs ??)


No. Do it right and don't worry about it after that.
8/17/2010 5:49:57 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Still aint seen a TEST that shows that commercial tubes are BAD or weak?

Back in the 80/90/ 2003 No one gave a shit here on AR15.com  ABC


I wish I was photo documenting several years back.
I knocked my CAR stocked Bushmaster off a shooting bench and it landed butt down at an angle onto a concrete pad.
The impact broke the plastic, (actually I think they were made out of some sort of Nylon material), early CAR style stock and bent the extension tube, right at the junction of the castle nut, bad enough that the rifle was rendered inoperable.
At that time I replaced the collapsing stock with a standard A2 fixed stock.
Here is a picture with that stock in place on the rifle.

I took this picture a couple years ago just before I broke the rifle down and rebarrelled it as a standard A2 government profile full length rifle.

I use Mil-Spec extension tubes from VLTOR exclusively now on collapsing stock rifles.
Whether it will prevent the misfortune from happening again, I don't know, because I haven't knocked a rifle off a bench since that incident.
Learned my lesson the hard way.
8/17/2010 8:50:25 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Confusing to say the least, here is what Armalite has on their site:

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=15207020&Category=93c41860-4ca2-43ee-8ca9-dc09b1a5bf2c


Colt says 38-42  ft-lbs.


This
I guess the whole inch pounds spec was a mistake.  Colt corrected it with the Foot pounds.  
Inch pounds is barely hand tight, so Foot pounds makes more sense.
40 Foot pounds, + or - 2 pounds is the correct answer.
8/17/2010 9:59:26 AM EDT
[#21]
Blue Loctite.  Stand on the lower with one foot while applying pressure to the castl nut wrench with the other foot. It wont come loose!

Seriously what's wrong with Loctite?
8/17/2010 10:13:58 AM EDT
[#22]
What are people doing with staking on a magpul ASAP? There is only one spot to stake and that's at the top?
8/17/2010 11:44:05 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
What are people doing with staking on a magpul ASAP? There is only one spot to stake and that's at the top?


This, I had the same question.
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